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To: spunkets
“No, science is the fluid that flows in the river. A raft is external to it.”

Not so. The facts of science are external to the flow of logic—in the same way that particular values for x are external to mathematical statements for x.

“but science does not, because science understands chaos as simply the study of the behavior of ‘mixing’.”

You’re about one step away from making the claim that chaos is order (or that A≠A). Again, the context of science is logic—science is always subject to logic. This is why twisted logic completely destroys any assertion about science.

“Reason is not faith, nor is faith equivalent to reason”

But all reason necessarily follows a premise. Reason can never stand alone. You’ve got to start with something solid to stand on. What is the basis for the beginning of man’s reason? At best it’s mere subjectivity. Faith is the substrate for reason.
1,433 posted on 02/16/2011 4:02:00 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Relativism is the intellectual death knell of progressive ideology.)
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To: reasonisfaith
Re: "No, science is the fluid that flows in the river. A raft is external to it."

"Not so. The facts of science are external to the flow of logic—in the same way that particular values for x are external to mathematical statements for x.

No. Science is a body of knowledge and understanding generated by reason. As such, it is properly the fluid, since it is the whole thing that is science.

"all reason necessarily follows a premise. Reason can never stand alone. You’ve got to start with something solid to stand on. What is the basis for the beginning of man’s reason? At best it’s mere subjectivity. Faith is the substrate for reason."

Reason is a logical process that stands on it's own. It is not dependent on any being, or any premise for validity.

Faith is believing in what someone has said, or written regardless of the reason for doing so.

1,487 posted on 02/17/2011 9:27:49 PM PST by spunkets
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