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To: spunkets
All that matters is what Jesus said and whether I believe that.

What you believe is your business. It doesn't prove that it's true, and repeating that you believe it is not going to prove it either.

All men are in the Image of God, but not all are equal to God. Jesus = God is a claim being made in that passage

No, the only claim is that he was in "the form" of God, just as humans are in "the image" of God. Everywhere else, Paul makes it clear that he is not equal to God. That much is clear.

The words of Jesus carry more weight than Paul.

Sure, but Jesus never said he was equal to God. To the contrary, he said he was the Father is greater than he is and even called the Father his God.

John 1:1, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14, "14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." The fact that John thought Jesus was God Himself, in Person could not be more clear.

Well, to use your own argument with Paul, John is no Jesus. I have already asked you why do you believe men, like John (when it suits you) and what matters is only what Jesus (is quoted to) have said?

How does John know what was in the "beginning"? And the "with God" in Greek reads "towards God", and the "he was God" in Greek reads "he was a God." [Greek also didn't have capitals]

How can God be "with" God? And if the Father and the Son are the same person, as you claim, then not only did the Son become flesh but also the Father according to Spunketism 101.

The fact that John thought Jesus was God Himself, in Person could not be more clear

But it also couldn;t be more clear that Jesus stated the Father (who in your convoluted theology is the same person as the Son) is greater than he is! It's like spunkets saying spunkets is greater than spunkets!

What part of it don't you like? Is it where God acknowledges the Father as His own and calls Him God as one of His fraternal brothers?

If Jesus is the same God (and you say person) as the Father then he can't call the Father "his God".

1,201 posted on 02/08/2011 12:11:56 AM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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To: kosta50
Re: "All that matters is what Jesus said and whether I believe that."

"What you believe is your business. It doesn't prove that it's true, and repeating that you believe it is not going to prove it either."

You asked me why I believed what was written. Proof only applies in math and logic.

Re: "All men are in the Image of God, but not all are equal to God. Jesus = God is a claim being made in that passage"

"No, the only claim is that he was in "the form" of God,"

Here it is again, so your denial appears with the statement itself. Phil 2:6,7, 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature[or form] of a servant, being made in human likeness.

Re: "John 1:1, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14, "14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." The fact that John thought Jesus was God Himself, in Person could not be more clear."

"Well, to use your own argument with Paul, John is no Jesus. I have already asked you why do you believe men, like John (when it suits you) and what matters is only what Jesus (is quoted to) have said?

No, not when it suits me. You specifically said that John never equated Jesus with God. "John, likewise, does not confuse "being one" with the Father ... does not make Jesus God the Father"

"And the "with God" in Greek reads "towards God", and the "he was God" in Greek reads "he was a God." "

Here's Young's literal translation. John 1:1, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;" I believe this translation is correct and it's the third time what you've said regarding translationals was wrong. You haven't been correct on any translational matter yet.

"How does John know what was in the "beginning"?

A little birdie told him.

Re: "There was no fall

"Okay, then without the talking snake there was no sin and without the sin no death and without death no need for the savior. You happy now?"

I said that Gen 3 is a parable and that Adam and Eve rerpesent each person that ever lived. How do you know they never sinned? Art thou a wizard? Even though each person is a trinity, how many can raise themselves from the dead to everlasting life?

Re: "God came to teach who He was and some folks killed Him for it"

"Theology of Spunketism: men can kill God. You are really something.

John 19:10,11 “Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?” Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.

1,208 posted on 02/08/2011 9:54:38 AM PST by spunkets
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