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To: kosta50
Your prior first statement was:

all that exists had to be caused, except the first cause.

Your prior second statement was: "In that case the first cause cannot exist." right after you excepted it. So it was a logical contradiction or non sequitur.

1,169 posted on 02/07/2011 7:53:42 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; kosta50
"... all that exists had to be caused, except the first cause."

Such a "first cause", as we argued very early on, would be a timeless entity and therefore a changeless entity. What that entails is that all of that "first cause" happened in an instant that took no time. Which further implies that "... on the first day I, your deity, created this... on the second day, that..." - based religions cannot be compatible with the First Cause argument.

1,172 posted on 02/07/2011 11:27:59 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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