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Mohler takes on 'theistic evolution'
Associated Baptist Press ^
| January 13, 2011
| Bob Allen
Posted on 01/16/2011 4:09:10 PM PST by balch3
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To: xzins
Then surrender Surrender to what? A fairytale?
521
posted on
01/20/2011 11:07:30 AM PST
by
kosta50
("Spirit of Spirit...give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- Mithral prayer)
To: xzins; kosta50
God is a God and was intervening in history for His desired Holy direction. Muslims make the same excuse for Allah's ways, too.
To: kosta50
Ah, so now you assert that The Bible is replete with lies told by the writers in order to further an agenda. And rather than offer anything on John 3:3, you simple dismiss the entire scene as a fabrication.
I'm sorry to have to convey this, Kosta, but the genius needed to fabricate an entire New Testament of multiple documents and letters so as to fit neatly into a huge deceit with a singular purpose is more fanciful than your accusation that John made the scene up! Your theory would require an angelic genius. Your efforts to dance around even opening your mind to 'a gospel' is astonishing, though no longer amusing.
523
posted on
01/20/2011 11:16:00 AM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
To: xzins; James C. Bennett
xzins: God is a God and was intervening in history for His desired Holy direction. James, youn didn't really expect to get an answer, did you? Although they claim they "know" the mind of God, when asked why God did something they tell you "for his desired Holy direction" which, translated into plain English, reads just because.
524
posted on
01/20/2011 11:19:07 AM PST
by
kosta50
("Spirit of Spirit...give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- Mithral prayer)
To: kosta50
The literal Greek of John 3:3:
"Jesus answered and said to him, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;"
525
posted on
01/20/2011 11:19:54 AM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
To: kosta50
BTW, Nicodemus was a member of the Sanhedrin, and since both men were devout Jews, it is more likely that Jesus and Nic were conversing in Hebrew. Your attribution of speaking Aramaic is your opinion, not a know fact. But then you assert lots of opinions as if you're an authority.
526
posted on
01/20/2011 11:22:54 AM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
To: James C. Bennett
Excuse?
It was an explanation. You wanted to know why the David/Bath baby died and why the Amalekites were slain.
I said because God decided it was best.
How is that an excuse? An excuse would be, “He was driving down the road, didn’t see them, and damned if He didn’t run right over top of them.”
An excuse is an effort to shift the direction of responsibility.
527
posted on
01/20/2011 11:23:56 AM PST
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
To: kosta50
Then surrender Surrender to what? A fairytale?
He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
528
posted on
01/20/2011 11:24:52 AM PST
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
To: kosta50
John uses the word "from above" (anothen), not "again". The word anothen means also "from the beginning." Nowehere in the NT does it mean "again." The word for "again" in Greek is palin. Curiously, Paul uses the phrase plain anothen once in the entire NT, which translations treat as simple "again". But anothen alone is never translated as "again" except in John 3:3, and that only by some Bible versions, not all. Judging from the Nicodemus' reaction (John 3:4), he (mis)understood Jesus' words to mean literally "again". The problem with that is that Jesus and Nicodmeus would have been speaking in Aramaic, not Greek, and such misunderstanding, while very remotely possible in Greek (based on Paul's singular example), is not possible is Aramaic. Bible scholars conclude, therefore, that the conversation never took place, but was rather created by John for a specific agenda. Ah, John had an 'agenda', now I do not care who you are that is funny. I can so totally understand why the WORDS John penned give the bible scholars 'big time' trouble. But hey as it is Written there is nothing new under the sun, what has been will be again... and 'big bang' just flows out like it is news.
Oh, I do agree that busy fingers put in the word 'again' but it is NOT correct.... John's agenda is so stated in John 1:1 from the beginning Genesis 1:1.
To: xzins; kosta50
An excuse is an effort to shift the direction of responsibility. Muslims say they need to kill / oppress the infidels because God commands them to do it. The real reason could be anything, including territorial acquisition. How is this not valid in the Amalekite case?
To: James C. Bennett
How is what not valid? That they killed Amalekites just to take their land.
All of those people ran around taking each others lands. Do you suppose they needed an excuse to keep their names out of the non-existent headlines at the non-exitent United Nations?
531
posted on
01/20/2011 11:31:59 AM PST
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
To: kosta50
To: xzins; kosta50
All of those people ran around taking each others lands. Including the infants? The cattle? The donkeys too? All were killed, without mercy or justice, by the hands of men.
To: James C. Bennett
You ever read about the Assyrians?
Yep, these cultures were into killing everything that moved when it served their purposes.
The Jews didn’t have public image problems to worry about.
534
posted on
01/20/2011 11:36:56 AM PST
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
To: xzins; kosta50
Yep, these cultures were into killing everything that moved when it served their purposes. How is this any more repugnant than the slaughter of innocent children and infants?
To: kosta50; betty boop; xzins; TXnMA; MHGinTN; James C. Bennett
Thank you for letting me get in a "closing remark," dear kosta50! It is a recommendation for you and anyone else following.
On some nice and quiet day, grab your favorite beverage and snacks, find the most comfortable chair in your house and just read the Gospel of John again, casually not studying it. Read it like a love letter from One who loves you more deeply than you can ever know.
God's Name is I AM.
To: kosta50
Although I cannot speak for many of the posters here, whose view of Christianity is far from the mainstream...
Christians do not (if they know their Bible) claim to know the mind of God.
Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,
declares the LORD.
9 As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
537
posted on
01/20/2011 11:53:49 AM PST
by
allmendream
(Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
To: James C. Bennett
“justice”
Implies a standard. What standard?
538
posted on
01/20/2011 11:57:11 AM PST
by
MrB
(The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
To: MHGinTN
BTW, Nicodemus was a member of the Sanhedrin, and since both men were devout Jews, it is more likely that Jesus and Nic were conversing in Hebrew Hebrew was not a spoken language of Palestine in the 1st century, any more than KJV English is today a spoken language. Nevertheless, the same impossibility of a pun, or Nicodemus' misunderstanding, applies to Hebrew.
In order for him to misunderstand "form above" as (remotely meaning) "again" would have required them to converse in sophistated Greek.
539
posted on
01/20/2011 12:24:51 PM PST
by
kosta50
("Spirit of Spirit...give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- Mithral prayer)
To: kosta50
540
posted on
01/20/2011 12:25:19 PM PST
by
kosta50
("Spirit of Spirit...give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- Mithral prayer)
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