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To: kosta50
John uses the word "from above" (anothen), not "again". The word anothen means also "from the beginning." Nowehere in the NT does it mean "again." The word for "again" in Greek is palin. Curiously, Paul uses the phrase plain anothen once in the entire NT, which translations treat as simple "again". But anothen alone is never translated as "again" except in John 3:3, and that only by some Bible versions, not all. Judging from the Nicodemus' reaction (John 3:4), he (mis)understood Jesus' words to mean literally "again". The problem with that is that Jesus and Nicodmeus would have been speaking in Aramaic, not Greek, and such misunderstanding, while very remotely possible in Greek (based on Paul's singular example), is not possible is Aramaic. Bible scholars conclude, therefore, that the conversation never took place, but was rather created by John for a specific agenda.

Ah, John had an 'agenda', now I do not care who you are that is funny. I can so totally understand why the WORDS John penned give the bible scholars 'big time' trouble. But hey as it is Written there is nothing new under the sun, what has been will be again... and 'big bang' just flows out like it is news.

Oh, I do agree that busy fingers put in the word 'again' but it is NOT correct.... John's agenda is so stated in John 1:1 from the beginning Genesis 1:1.

529 posted on 01/20/2011 11:27:16 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Ah, John had an 'agenda', now I do not care who you are that is funny.

Actually, John is a heavily interpolated book. Whether John had an agenda or interpolators, I don't know. Christians, like any other group, had an agenda, and still do.

You said you were unschooled, yet your answer betrays a bait.

541 posted on 01/20/2011 12:32:24 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit...give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- Mithral prayer)
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