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To: fish hawk; G Larry
1. By grace we are saved and even that is a gift from God -- correct. Yet losing salvation does not deny that fact that everything is from God

2. Scripture teaches that one’s final salvation depends on the state of the soul at death. As Jesus himself tells us, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31–46). One who dies in the state of friendship with God (the state of grace) will go to heaven. The one who dies in a state of enmity and rebellion against God (the state of mortal sin) will go to hell.

3. Christ died for us and appears before God on our behalf. He has provided sufficiently for our salvation yet note that it is necessary for those who hear the gospel to "repeant and believe" or else we would have no need to be born again.

4. Paul notes this in "See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22;

5. Jesus declared: ‘Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord" shall enter the kingdom of heaven’ (Matt. 7:21)."

6. Sins against the Holy Spirit, i.e. grace sins, mortal sins are not forgiven in this age or the next, yet for others, Christ's blood washes aways the sins of those who truly repent and believe and sin no more.

7. Paul again "I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified" (1 Cor. 9:27).
50 posted on 01/17/2011 2:02:00 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Cronos; Dutchboy88
I've only been “born again” once. How many chances do we get, in your books? Every time you sin? I actually feel sorry for you out there that think you can lose your salvation. Bottom line, it is “working your way into heaven” and scripture tells us that those are a laundry basket full of “dirty rags”.
51 posted on 01/17/2011 10:05:33 AM PST by fish hawk (reporter to old Indian: you lived here on the reservation all your life? Old Indian, "not yet".)
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To: Cronos; fish hawk

This is the classic errant result of “proof texting”. None of the references you use actually support the conclusions you draw from the isolated verses. Nevertheless, your technique is as common as it is incorrect.

To argue with someone who does not recognize the proper way to approach the Scriptures, however, is a waste of effort. Read some good books on hermeneutics then revisit these passages.


52 posted on 01/17/2011 10:36:11 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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