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To: Cronos
We’ve gone over this before. There is no dogma that contradicts Scripture. Holy Tradition cannot contradict scripture as scripture was birthed from Holy Tradition. you may put forth your own interpretation of scripture to oppose our interpretation, but it remains yopios

I am quite aware that "we" have gone over these things before but just because some refuse to see God's truths doesn't mean we should not continuously discuss them. That you are confident of your magesterium's powers of infallibility is evident but there are many who have not bowed the knee to mere sinful men and will continue to search the Scriptures to know that what is being preached is confirmed by those very Scriptures. The early church fathers confirmed the same due diligence and even challenged opponents to prove them wrong using Scripture alone as the authority.

To contend that "Holy Scripture was birthed by Holy Tradition" is a not-so-covert effort to supersede Scripture by tradition. That very same use of the word "tradition" is most often used to validate any and everything that the self-labeled infallible teaching authority wishes to set forth. A plain reading of Scripture time and time again shows that what some would like to be clouded in deeper meaning is precisely written in simple, easy to understand words so that any person wishing to understand the good news of Jesus Christ may do so and only those who Peter calls the "ignorant and unstable" distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:16)

759 posted on 01/18/2011 12:59:53 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums

EXCELLENT POINTS. THX.


806 posted on 01/18/2011 4:39:59 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: boatbums
Actually, no.
1. we've pointed out that the dogma does not contradict scripture. you or others say it's not in scripture, not that they contradict scripture. There is a difference

2. The infallibility as we've said before is on matters of dogma strictly. Most Protestants follow some if not all of the infallible teachings of it's predecessors, the Councils, especially on Christological matters

3. Furthermore, every denomination outside the Church still has a council, a synod, a set of ruling elders and catechism that describes what they believe in -- this is the basis of having a coherent faith. I may not agree with say the LCMS or the PCA but they keep a coherent list of what they believe in -- this is necessary as there are so many little questions, like Genesis 1, etc.

4. It's not an effort to supersede Scripture -- Scripture is the final, gold standard. That is why I insist on the word "contradict" -- if something contradicts scripture, it cannot be true. But if it is not in scripture and does not contradict it, that does not necessitate it's verity or falsity
981 posted on 01/18/2011 10:03:11 PM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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