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To: xone

Since man is unable to provide anything for his own salvation, he also is unable to do anything to lose it once God has given it.

That doesn’t mean there aren’t loss of rewards in heaven, should a believer fall out of fellowship and fail to walk according to God’s Plan.

It simply recognizes God is always faithful, even when man isn’t.


3,329 posted on 02/06/2011 12:53:59 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr; xone

And THANK YOU, GOD for that!!!!!

2 Timothy 2:11-13 The saying is trustworthy, for:

If we have died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us; if we are faithless, he remains faithful—

for he cannot deny himself.


3,330 posted on 02/06/2011 3:47:22 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cvengr; xone
Well, CV -- Lutherans, Pentecostals, Catholics, Orthodox, Orientals, Assyrians are of one thought that one can lose one's salvation. Yes, you disagree with us -- and you have the free will to do so, but this is so against Ezekiel 33:12-16
12 “Therefore, son of man, say to your people, ‘If someone who is righteous disobeys, that person’s former righteousness will count for nothing. And if someone who is wicked repents, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation. The righteous person who sins will not be allowed to live even though they were formerly righteous.’

13 If I tell a righteous person that they will surely live, but then they trust in their righteousness and do evil, none of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered; they will die for the evil they have done.

14 And if I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ but they then turn away from their sin and do what is just and right— 15 if they give back what they took in pledge for a loan, return what they have stolen, follow the decrees that give life, and do no evil—that person will surely live; they will not die.

16 None of the sins that person has committed will be remembered against them. They have done what is just and right; they will surely live.

The parts in bold disprove any sense that we cannot lose our freely given salvation.

Right from the start of the Bible, do we find Adam and Eve losing grace.

Remember Paul says "See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22)
3,338 posted on 02/07/2011 12:25:10 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cvengr
That doesn’t mean there aren’t loss of rewards in heaven, should a believer fall out of fellowship and fail to walk according to God’s Plan.

This pops up every once in a while. What other reward can a Christian possibly have other than to be in the presence of Almighty God forever? What rewards are you talking about? Do various Protestants see a celestial Bingo with door prizes? Or you get to sit on the 50 yard line in Heaven?

3,345 posted on 02/07/2011 5:11:08 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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