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To: mas cerveza por favor; Quix; ReformedBeckite; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; ..
Let’s also look at this whole notion of the rapture being only a recent belief.

Saint Irenaeus was an early church father and apologist, and his writings were formative in the early development of Christian theology. He was a hearer of Polycarp, who in turn was a disciple of John the Evangelist.

Irenaeus
Against Heresies
Book 5, Chapter 29, Paragraph 1

And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.” Matt. xxiv. 21. For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.

Pseudo-Ephraem's Pre Tribulation Rapture Statement (c. 374-627) A Sermon by Pseudo-Ephraem (section 2)

"All the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins."

Trying to deny that the early church fathers didn’t believe in the rapture is an out and out lie.

330 posted on 01/17/2011 7:01:53 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; mas cerveza por favor; Quix; ReformedBeckite; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; ...
Saint Irenaeus was an early church father and apologist, and his writings were formative in the early development of Christian theology.

Right on! Irenaeus was the guy who wrote this
"Against Heresies (Book I, Chapter 10)" The Church, though dispersed through our the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith
the Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although scattered throughout the whole world, yet, as if occupying but one house, carefully preserves itFor, although the languages of the world are dissimilar, yet the import of the tradition is one and the same

and
"Against Heresies" (Book III, Chapter 4)


since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her (*The Catholic Church's*) hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth: so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. Revelation 22:17

Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, should we not have recourse to the most ancient Churches with which the apostles held constant intercourse, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question? For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us writings? Would it not be necessary, [in that case,] to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those to whom they did commit the Churches?

"Against Heresies" (Book II, Chapter 9)


For even creation reveals Him who formed it, and the very work made suggests Him who made it, and the world manifests Him who ordered it. The Universal Church, moreover, through the whole world, has received this tradition from the apostles.

and
"Against Heresies" (Book III, Chapter 3)


Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church (*Rome*), on account of its preeminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.


345 posted on 01/17/2011 7:18:26 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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