[daniel1212]

Good point. Do they say such are not saved, or that while they contend for doctrine, that they alone are the OTC visible church? I honestly do not know. See 2,826 but while Calvinistic leaders like RC Sproul warn against what Arminianism can do, i do not think they necessarily equate this with being lost, which i think is fringe view.

[Cronos]

Actually, they do -- I didn't know either until our PCA and OPC friends directed me to their website listing their doctrines (I've posted links above).

Quite frankly, the language is strong -- calling Arminianism as a "damnable heresy" and Arminian pastors as heretics.

And, as you can see by the poster from the PCA's remarks, they really do consider "Pentecostals are really no different from the Roman Catholics" -- and we know what they think of Catholics, so they think the same of Pentecostals.

[Cronos]

In fact, it's not the fringe view -- this is the mainstream view of the PCA/OPC denominations. Ok, they are fringe in the sense that together they are 300,000 people, but they are very strongly represented on FR and they express the opinions above, "If you do not know the Five Points of Calvinism, you do not know the gospel, but some perversion of it..." Fred Phelps,