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To: Cronos; caww
Lev 5:1-4 describes sacrifices for wilful sins

Yes, some exceptions are wilful but most are not.

Also, the sacrifice of Christ IS for unwitting sin (Adam's) -- repentence is still necessary in the Christian world for our non-venial sins. We are not Calvinists to believe that we should not repent.

I am glad you noticed that. The Protestants seem to compeltely miss that point.

2,376 posted on 01/31/2011 8:28:17 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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To: kosta50; caww
Lev 5:1-4 describes sacrifices for wilful sins. Yes, some exceptions are wilful but most are not.

True -- however, Original Sin or Original Stain as I prefer to call it is NOT a wilful sin.

Cronos: Also, the sacrifice of Christ IS for unwitting sin (Adam's) -- repentence is still necessary in the Christian world for our non-venial sins. We are not Calvinists to believe that we should not repent.
Kosta: I am glad you noticed that. The Protestants seem to compeltely miss that point

Yes -- and that's a very good point, God asks us to repent for our wilful sins, He tells us to do penance for these wilful sins. The sins that were NOT wilful, there had to be a sacrifice.

So the idea in the OT was, to put it in bad English "you do bad, you do penance. If you don't know you have "bad" stain, then a sacrifice is necessary"

This of course is translated into NT-speak as "If you sin, you must do penance, but the major sin, the Original one, so to speak, that needed a sacrifice. This was a sin of the highest nature and it needed a sacrifice of the highest nature, namely Christ.
2,405 posted on 01/31/2011 11:37:25 PM PST by Cronos
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To: kosta50; Lera
Btw, Kosta, how do you like Lera saying that the Georgian Orthodox Seminary in Tiflis was supposedly run by Jesuits! :o

I didn't know Jesusits now set up Orthodox seminaries!!! :-P
2,406 posted on 01/31/2011 11:39:01 PM PST by Cronos
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