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To: Cronos; MarkBsnr; Alamo-Girl; kosta50
Mark is pointing out the meaning of the word infallible viz. Fallible means able to make a mistake or able to teach error.

I'd suggest you go back through this discussion, especially the discussion with Alamo-Girl and where kosta was pinged which is where I stuck my nose in. Contrary to the historical teachings of the Church, many Catholics today, like the Orthodox, no longer believe the scriptures to be the actual infallible, inerrant word of God. Instead they believe it all embodied in the Church. Their claim is that we no longer have the original manuscripts. What worst, they'll present the arguments many atheists/agnostics present to discredit the scriptures.

If you think I'm being harsh, I would recommend you follow objectively many of the arguments Catholics will present about God's word on this site. Why would they do this? Anything that takes away authority from Rome is a threat. If scriptures is the only thing that is infallible, then EVERY OTHER WRITING IS FALLIBLE. That includes every creed of man, every Church dogma, etc. They all could be suspect. The only way you can determine the truth is by going back to that which is infallible. That is why the Bible must be discredited; to preserve the authority of the Church. This is sooooooo contrary to the teachings of the fathers.

You might as well just toss out the Bible. People in the Church will tell you what to believe.

2,301 posted on 01/31/2011 11:36:22 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; MarkBsnr
that statement "many..." is false. I believe they are inerrant and all of the religious I know believe the same. Furthermore, it is the dogma of the Church
These books [of the canon] the Church holds to be sacred and canonical, not because, having been composed by human industry, they were afterwards approved by her authority; nor only because they contain revelation without error; but because, having been written under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, they have God for their author (De Fide Catholica 2:7).
We have rejected any form of limited inerrancy. This is repeated in VII
it follows that the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully, and without error that truth that God wanted put into sacred writings for the sake of salvation

2,316 posted on 01/31/2011 12:53:28 PM PST by Cronos
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To: HarleyD; Cronos
Thank you so much for sharing your insights and concerns, dear brother in Christ!

I have been reading things like that, too, which suggest the Scripture is subordinate to the Catholic Church's teaching.

But Cronos' reply to this post is very encouraging. Thank you, dear Cronos!

2,363 posted on 01/31/2011 8:01:14 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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