To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
Note -- I am arguing against double-predestination.
Double predestination is where God purposely chooses who is damned. This is not splitting hairs as it is quite different from predestination which is God choosing the elect. A god that chooses people to be damned from before time is quite contrary to a Christian concept of a loving God.
Does God purposely send people to hell? People are already sentence to hell. You dont start in a neutral position. And, yes, God did pass judgment that we would go to hell --> that is because the people IN hell CHOSE it -- they rejected GOD.
God didn't tell them "I chose you from before time to go to hell"
St. Augustine's position is on PERSEVERENCE, not PRESERVATION,
To: Cronos; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
Double predestination is where God purposely chooses who is damned. This is not splitting hairs as it is quite different from predestination which is God choosing the elect. Everyone from the day they are born are doomed to hell. This was the judgment of God. Rebellion against the things of God is in our nature. And, yes, God did tell them (us) that we are bound for hell unless He steps in and changes this nature.
A god that chooses people to be damned from before time is quite contrary to a Christian concept of a loving God.
The fact is that God did sentence the entire Adam race to hell. Love has nothing to do with it-at least OUR concept of love-which is nothing more than "fairness", not love. What we don't understand is the concept of grace and justice. Knowing that we do not do the things that we should be doing, yet God is gracious to forgive and help us to grow. This is the Father's love.
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