To: caww; kosta50
He has the free will to believe or not.
as I said, it raises the question: Does it make sense talking/discussing religion or should we say "God will come and choose his own"
In a way I see it as a contrarian (almost Socratic) way of arguing FOR free will.
Let me elaborate -- if there is no free will and there is double-predestination, then talkings, discussing etc. is fruitless -- all is predetermined and we need not think to debate, argue etc. -- we might as well shut down FR's RF :)
however, if free will does exist, then us being instruments of God glorifies GOD as it is not our words that save, but God workign through us that saves.
This is basically the concept of the interventionist God.
To: Cronos; caww; kosta50
if free will does exist, then us being instruments of God... lol. Double predestination means we are instruments of God.
Neither you nor I nor anyone here can open Kosta's eyes. That's the work of the Holy Spirit.
Our job is to preach the Gospel to all men, confident that those who have received new ears and new eyes from God will know the truth and believe.
"The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the LORD hath made even both of them." -- Proverbs 20:12
"Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." -- John 6:65
1,993 posted on
01/30/2011 12:33:26 AM PST by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Cronos; caww
The topic was faith, which is salvific. If the faith is what saves then only God can give it, free will notwithstanding. And, by the same token, if lack of faith is equal to being lost then it is also God's doing, lest humans have a role in salvation/perdition of man.
2,005 posted on
01/30/2011 1:00:52 AM PST by
kosta50
(Pagan prayer to Mithra: "give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again")
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