[daniel1212]

"Why are you changing the yardsticks? I referred to Protestants."

I am not aware of the history behind your statement, but i assumed you are contesting the conservative evangelical faith which opposes you, not some liberal Prots which have forsaken certain core historic Protestant distinctives, as if such must defend everything by that name, or defend one church, as you must. But if are simply shooting at Protestantism in general, then i myself affirm such liberal Prots are wrong, yet those that are rarely cause Rome a problem, as they are in decline, being institutionalized like Rome, and not being the recipient of convert from Rome.

"Can you show me a priest or deacon of the Church that either provides abortions, or guides people into having them? Perhaps a survey of Planned Parenthood staff may be just the thing to settle this."

If a Catholic priest views allowing abortion in some cases, as some do, then it is likely they might sanction one getting one.

As for a survey, that would be useful, but i have never seen one, but they have Catholic supporters, including “progressive" Catholic Nuns (scroll). But while you apparently broadbrush those who oppose you here, Protestantism, the problem is who is accepted as a Catholic? If you narrow it down to only those who affirm all the official teachings of Rome then you have a much smaller membership, and if so, then Rome is negligent in disciplining heretics and immoral Ted Kennedy types, whose acceptable status as a Catholic, without any evidence of repentance, they honored with grand funerals and words, though some of the laity showed more courage. . Which infers to the rest that dying in the arms of Rome ensures it will see such to glory.

And if we go by what Rome effectually conveys, which Biblically shows what you really believe, (Ja. 2:18) then there are many Catholics who support abortion.

The faith which you impugn here is not that of liberal Protestantism, and below are many stats which evidences the overall fruit of different faiths, from many different surveys. Abortion is in red. (see sources here).

Evangelicals versus Catholics, from various formal studies, spanning 1992 to 2009 (see sources here). 73% (highest) of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly affirm that Christ was sinless on earth, with Catholics, Lutherans and Methodists being tied at 33%, and the lowest being among Episcopalians with just 28% 64% of those in Assemblies of God churches (versus only 9% of Catholics) strongly DISAGREE that if a person is generally good, or does enough good things for others they will earn a place in Heaven [salvation on the basis of merit]. 56% of Assemblies of God (versus 17% Catholics) Christians strongly DISAGREE that Satan is just a symbol of evil [rather than a real being]. Catholics and Mainline Protestants tend towards more belief in a more Distant God. Evangelical Protestants and Black Protestants tend towards belief in a more Authoritarian God. Among 7,441 Protestant pastors. Asked if they believed that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God: 87% of Methodists said no. 95% of Episcopalians said no. 82% of Presbyterians said NO. 67% of American Baptists said no Bible Reading: the highest was 75%, by those going to a Pentecostal/Foursquare church who reported they had read the Bible during the past week (besides at church), while the lowest was among Catholics at 23% Volunteer church work (during past 7 days): Assemblies of God were highest at 30%, with the lowest going to Catholics at 12%. Donating Money (during the last month): Church of Christ churches were the highest at 29%, with Catholics being the lowest at 12% American evangelicals gave four times as much, per person, to churches as did all other church donors in 2001. 88 percent of evangelicals and 73 percent of all Protestants donated to churches. By denomination, 61% of the those associated with an Assemblies of God church said they had shared their faith at least once during the past year, followed by 61% of those who attend a Pentecostal/Foursquare church, and ending 14% among Episcopalians and just 10% among Roman Catholics 25% of Evangelical Christians read the Bible on a daily basis along with 20% of other Protestants. Just 7% of Catholics do the same. At the other extreme, 44% of Catholics rarely or never read the Bible along with only 7% of Evangelical Christians and 13% of other Protestants. 91% of Evangelical Christians and 63% of other Protestants and 25% of Catholics consider themselves to be born again, 44% of Evangelical Christians reflect at least daily on the meaning of Scripture in their lives. 36% of other Protestants and 22% of Catholics do the same. 52% of Evangelical Christians have had a meaningful discussion about their faith with a non-Christian during the past month. 28% of other Protestants and 18% of Catholics also have held such a discussion. 68% of Evangelical Christians attend a regular Bible Study or participate in some other small-group activity. 47% of other Protestants take part in small groups related to their faith, along with 24% of Catholics. 39 percent of Catholics affirmed not attending church is a sin, versus 23 percent of Protestants. Weekly Church attendance: Evangelicals showed the highest participation of approx 60 percent (30% more than once a week). Catholics were at 45 percent (9% more than once a week), and Jews 15 percent. The highest percentage of those who strongly agree they have a personal responsibility to share their faith was found among believers in Pentecostal/Foursquare churches (73%) 81% of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly agree that the Bible is totally accurate in all that it teaches , followed by 77% of Assemblies of God believers, and ending with 26% of Catholics and 22% of Episcopalians. 54% of Hispanic Catholics describe themselves as charismatic Christians. 51%of Hispanic Evangelicals are converts, and 43% are former Catholics. 82% of Hispanics cite the desire for a more direct, personal experience with God as the main reason for adopting a new faith. Among those who have become evangelicals, 90% say it was a spiritual search for a more direct, personal experience with God was the main reason that drove their conversion. Negative views of Catholicism do not appear to be a major reason for their conversion. Latino Evangelicals are 50% more likely than those who are Catholics to identify with the Republican Party, and are significantly more conservative than Catholics on social issues, foreign policy issues and even in their attitudes toward the plight of the poor. 40% Roman Catholics vs. 41% Non-R.C. see abortion as "morally acceptable"; Sex between unmarried couples: 67% vs. 57%; Baby out of wedlock: 61% vs. 52%; Homosexual relations: 54% vs. 45%; Gambling: 72% vs. 59% Committed Roman Catholics (church attendance weekly or almost) versus Non-R.C.: Abortion: 24% R.C. vs. 19% Non-R.C.; Sex between unmarried couples: 53% vs. 30%; Baby out of wedlock: 48% vs. 29%; Homosexual relations: 44% vs. 21%; Gambling: 67% vs. 40%; Divorce: 63 vs. 46% Catholics broke with their Church's teachings more than most other groups, with just six out of 10 Catholics affirming that God is "a person with whom people can have a relationship", and three in 10 describing God as an "impersonal force." Only 33% of Catholics strongly affirmed that Christ was sinless on earth 88% of Catholics believe that they can practice artificial means of birth control and still be considered good Catholics. 70 % of all Catholics in the age group 18 to 44 believe the Eucharist is a "symbolic reminder" of Jesus [it is, of His death], indicating they do not believe it is Jesus actual body and blood Only 30% of Catholics said believe they are really and truly receiving the body, blood, soul and divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ under the appearance of bread and wine.

26 percent of Catholics polled strongly agree with the Church's unequivoval position on abortion Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than Protestants. 46 percent of Catholics who say they attend mass weekly accept Church teaching on abortion; 43 percent accept the all-male priesthood; and 30 percent see contraception as morally wrong. 31% of faithful Catholics (those who attend church weekly) say abortion should be legal either in "many" or in "all" cases. 73 percent of Catholics rejected Catholic teaching artificial methods of birth control. Only 20 percent strongly agreed with the Church teaching that only men may be ordained. 59% of all Catholic women of childbearing age practice contraception—a rate of usage statistically equivalent to that of the general population (60%). 66% of Catholics supported women's ordination to the priesthood, and 73% approved of the way John Paul II leads the church. 80% of Catholics believe it is possible to disagree with the pope on official positions on morality and still be a good Catholic. 77 % of Catholics polled "believe a person can be a good Catholic without going to Mass every Sunday, 65 percent believe good Catholics can divorce and remarry, and 53 percent believe Catholics can have abortions and remain in good standing. 30% of Roman Catholic priests described themselves as Liberal, 28% as Conservative, and 37% as Moderate in their Religious ideology. 53 percent responded that they thought it always was a sin for unmarried people to have sexual relations; 32 percent that is often was, and 9 percent seldom/never. 71 percent responded that it always was wrong for a woman to get an abortion, 19 percent that it often was, and 4 percent seldom/never. 28 percent judged that is always was sin for married couples to use artificial birth control, 25 percent often, 40 percent never. 49 percent affirmed that it was always a sin to engage in homosexual behavior, often, 25 percent; and never, 19 percent. To take one's own life if suffering from a debilitating disease: always, 59 percent; often, 18 percent; never, 17 percent. 15 percent of the current clergy listed themselves as "gay or on the homosexual side." Among younger priests 23 percent did so. 44 percent of the priests said "definitely" a homosexual subculture'--defined as a `definite group of persons that has its own friendships, social gatherings and vocabulary'--exists in their diocese or religious order 50 percent of Protestants affirmed gambling was a sin, versus 15 percent of Catholics; that getting drunk was a sin: 63 percent of Protestants, 28 percent of Catholics; gossip: 70 percent to 45 percent: homosexual activity or sex: 72 percent to 42 percent. 39 percent of Roman Catholics and 79 percent of born-again, evangelical or fundamentalist Americans affirm that homosexual behavior is sinful. 79 percent of American Jews, 58 percent of Catholics and 56 percent of mainline Protestants favor acceptance of homosexuality, versus 39 percent of members of historically black churches, 27 percent of Muslims and 26 percent of the evangelical Protestants. U.S. Evangelical Churches (17%), had the lowest percentage of souls aged 18-29, versus Unaffiliated (31%), Muslims (29%), Historically Black Churches (24%), Mormons (24%) and Other Faiths (24%). Mainline Churches had the greater percentage (23%) of souls 65 and older. 2% of Mainline Churches, 77% of Catholics and 53% of Evangelical Churches affirmed, "There is MORE than one true way to interpret the teachings of my religion." 50% of Evangelicals considered themselves Republican or leaned toward that party, 34% Democratic or leaned thereto; 9% Independents. 48% of Catholics considered themselves Democrats or leaned toward that party, 33% Republican or leaned thereto; 10% Independent. Based upon exit polling, 74 percent of Evangelicals voted for McCain in 2008, with 25 percent for Obama. (Another measure put the percentage of evangelicals at 23 percent, with 73 percent voting for McCain, 26 percent for Obama.) Catholics overall supported Obama over McCain by a nine-point margin (54% vs. 45%) 37% of Catholics were registered as Democrats, 27% Republican, and 31% as Independents. 77 percent of Black Protestants said they vote Democratic, whether they attended weekly services or not. The 16 most Catholic states contain 24 of the most liberal cities. Excluding (Maryland 26th), predominately Roman Catholic states contain all but one (Seattle WA) of the 30 most liberal cities. Of states in which S. Baptists are the single largest denomination none (of the 30 cities) were found (the term “liberal: being defined according to individual contributions to PACs, election returns and the number of homosexual households: (See HERE for Table of casual Religio-Political relations. And HERE for Correlation between faith, ideology, politics, environment, money.)

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Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than Protestants.

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That’s a disturbing figure.

I assume it relates to the birth control issue . . . that in the ‘heat of the moment,’ and with some nod to RC teaching on birth control, birth control is not considered or ignored. Then later . . . reality sets in . . . and an innocent child dies. Sad. Very sad.

Will be interesting to see the rationalizations and weasel words about that. Of course, it will be blamed on

RCINO’s ‘only’ . . . I’d guess.

I wonder . . . Do RC’s consider birth control

less a sin than infanticide?

a sin equal to infanticide?

or

a worse sin than infanticide?

Perhaps

Salvation;

can inform us on that score.

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Only 30% of Catholics said believe they are really and truly receiving the body, blood, soul and divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ under the appearance of bread and wine.

Yet again we have a factoid which eats away very corrosively at the much vaunted 1.2 billion figure for Roman Catholics. . . . which, if my feeble calculator and math skills are accurate . . . would equal 360 million RC's.

It would be interesting to see how they slip and slide, rationalize and weasel word around that one, too.

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Volunteer church work (during past 7 days): Assemblies of God were highest at 30%, with the lowest going to Catholics at 12%.

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I love how Pentecostals persistently shine as DOING THE STUFF as John Wimber often said. . . . doing the stuff The Bible says we should be doing as Christians. And Praise God that the AoG again measured up above others. Good on em.

I think many RC’s do many good works. However, for their percentages to be so relatively low . . . says something about the vaunted claims so many RC’s make hereon about how super sanctified, super holy, super Christian, exclusively this and exclusively that the Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology And Reality Mangling purportedly is . . .

of course, that’s based on UNHistorical rubberized false pseudo history CLAIMS by the cliques of political bureaucratic power mongering magicsterical types 300+ years after the facts and after the true historical events.

[MarkBsnr]

Why are you changing the yardsticks? I referred to Protestants."

I am not aware of the history behind your statement, but i assumed you are contesting the conservative evangelical faith which opposes you, not some liberal Prots which have forsaken certain core historic Protestant distinctives, as if such must defend everything by that name, or defend one church, as you must. But if are simply shooting at Protestantism in general, then i myself affirm such liberal Prots are wrong, yet those that are rarely cause Rome a problem, as they are in decline, being institutionalized like Rome, and not being the recipient of convert from Rome.

I used the term Protestant to describe PP staffers in general. Now are they all Protestant? No, there are liberal Jews as well. My point is that Catholics don't staff PP, certainly as a rule. A further point is that I don't know of ANY who do. If you can find some, I'd be grateful for the knowledge.

Can you show me a priest or deacon of the Church that either provides abortions, or guides people into having them? Perhaps a survey of Planned Parenthood staff may be just the thing to settle this."

If a Catholic priest views allowing abortion in some cases, as some do, then it is likely they might sanction one getting one.

Do you have any examples? And do you believe these statistics offered on peacebyjesus.com? If so, where are their bona fides?

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81% of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly agree that the Bible is totally accurate in all that it teaches , followed by 77% of Assemblies of God believers, and ending with 26% of [Roman] Catholics and 22% of Episcopalians.

Ohhhhhhhh, DOOOODNESS!

The White Hankys are SLIPPING . . . AGAIN!

Ahhh well, they were slightly a little around the edges saved from the dregs position this slot by the Episcopalians. Impressive!

They don't believe GOD'S WORD, THE UNRUBBERIZED BIBLE.

They just believe superstitious old wive's tales about Mary's god-like powers and offices concocted by the magicsterical power-mongers buttressing their feifdoms on Mary's lap.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo impressive!

What an ecclesiastical pile of farce.

What a corrupt edifice of deception.

What a stench.

[presently no screen name]

It’s hard to believe some of those questions were even asked. But more surprised at the answers of these two - should be 100%. However, not too hard to understand how the ‘wide road’ plays out.

73% (highest) of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly affirm that Christ was sinless on earth, with Catholics, Lutherans and Methodists being tied at 33%, and the lowest being among Episcopalians with just 28%

81% of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly agree that the Bible is totally accurate in all that it teaches , followed by 77% of Assemblies of God believers, and ending with 26% of Catholics and 22% of Episcopalians.

Excellent work, daniel1212. Thanks.

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81% of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly agree that the Bible is totally accurate in all that it teaches , followed by 77% of Assemblies of God believers, . . . .

IT IS encouraging to see yet again how lofty a position the Pentecostals put GOD'S WORD IN. I'd have hoped for a higher percentage but the top percentage will do.

Clearly GOD has put HIS WORD in the top slot--heaven and earth will pass away before the slightest particle of His Word will EVER FAIL. That includes HIS EVERLASTING PROMISES TO THE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB.

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88% of Catholics believe that they can practice artificial means of birth control and still be considered good Catholics.

And yet, some RC's probably are still incredulous about how I could POSSIBLY IMAGINE TO CALL the institution

The Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology And Reality Mangling!

HEY!
YE OF NEGLIGIBLE
PERSONAL
AND
ORGANIZATIONAL INSIGHT!

Go to Sam's Club and buy several cases of artificial insight--it MIGHT help!

WHEN 88% of those self labeled as Roman Catholic do

NOT BELIEVE
A KEY CARDINAL EXCLUSIVIST DISTINCTIVE


IT DOES
NOT MATTER
WHAT
THE CATACHISM SAYS!


THE FOLKS IN THE PEWS
AIN'T BUYIN' IT!

And, I don't think Nuns and Priests harranguing more dreadful hours with whacking rulers and long fingers is going to solve the problem by a long shot.

And convoluted rationalizations about farcical fantasies; !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! OF MEN and superstitions rooted in paganism are NOT going to help either.

TRASHING THE HOGWASH would be a good place to start.

RETURNING TO THE UNADULTERATED WORD OF GOD AND THAT ONLY

As the ONLY authority for the institution would be a great start.

I realize that hell will likely freeze over first.

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73% (highest) of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly affirm that Christ was sinless on earth, with Catholics, Lutherans and Methodists being tied at 33%, and the lowest being among Episcopalians with just 28%

Fascinating.

ENDLESSLY hereon we read RC's, in their postings, who are haughty, self-righteous, arrogant, derisive etc. toward Proddy denominations as being lower than pond scum compared to the Vatican AIWSOTARM.

Yet again, the EVIDENCE indicates that RC's are no better than Methodists and HORRORS, LUTERANS . . . regarding SUCH A KEY CHRISTIAN BIBLICAL DOCTRINE!

BUSTED RC'S. BUSTED.

It does
NOT MATTER
WHAT

the Catechism says.


When 66% of the folks in the pews
AIN'T BUYIN' IT,

The Vatican AIWSOTARM
has a bigger problem than NASA.


And upping the mindless UNHISTORICAL,
UNBIBLICAL
idiotic superstitious farcical
brainwashing
ain't gonna fix it.

And
CLAIMING
THAT
"Roman Catholocism = the Catechism"

is roughly equivalent to saying

that
OThuga's USA = The Constitution.

IT JUST AIN'T SO!

[caww]

Around the water cooler a group of associates discussing abortion. All those catholic believed a woman has a right to choose what she does with her body, relating to abortion. The other half believe abortion is murder. They were Methodist, Evangelical Free, Jewish, Baptist and Christian Missionary Alliance. (I asked what their church was)

[metmom]

What’s very interesting is that those figures correlate very well with what ex-Catholics know to be true experientially.

We’ve been telling Catholics all along what we know the average lay Catholic believes and it keeps being denied by the Catholics.

Looks like someone else got the same results.

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64% of those in Assemblies of God churches (versus only 9% of Catholics) strongly DISAGREE that if a person is generally good, or does enough good things for others they will earn a place in Heaven [salvation on the basis of merit].

Fascinating.

We have had endless INSISTENT RC pontifications on FR about

HOW
RC THEOLOGY
INSISTS
THAT SALVATION DERIVES FROM
FAITH PLUS WORKS.

Yet, we see the inexorable organizational result of such a heretical NONBiblical perspective.

It DEVOLVES into WORKS ONLY pretend righteousness.

WHAT A HORRENDOUS INDICTEMENT AGAINST

The Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology And Reality Mangling
INSTITUTION, TEACHING, DOGMA, CATECHISM, MAGICSTERICAL, HIERARCHY!


IT IS
UTTERLY BANKRUPT

as to justfying any claim to
orthodox, BIBLICAL Christianty whatsoever.

Only 9% of Roman Catholics were found to evidently give any nod whatsoever still, to Salvation having anything at all to do with FAITH--even faith with works? GOODNESS! HORRORS!

So . . . now we are down to 180 MILLION RC's who have any hint of a Biblical understanding about Salvation.

Yet this is supposed to be CHRIST'S ONLY AUTHORIZED, TRULY KOSHER, REAL AND EXCLUSIVE ORGANIZATION/ CHURCH which HOLY SPIRIT IS PROTECTING AGAINST THE ASSAULTIVE GATES OF HELL????

WHAT AN INSULTING ASSERTION AGAINST HOLY SPIRIT! He only manages to protect 9%????

What a clueless, blasphemous, blind, idiotic and farcical construction on reality!

How do y'all face your mirrors in the morning and still claim to be Roman Catholic?

THE REALITIES
OF THE ORGANIZATION
ARE
SIMPLY
UNDENIABLY
OFF THE WALL
HYPOCRITICALLY
OUTRAGEOUSLY
HORRIFIC!

There's no rationalizing statistics like these.

The chronic RC fancy footwork and weasel worded rationalizations just won't do.

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56% of Assemblies of God (versus 17% Catholics) Christians strongly DISAGREE that Satan is just a symbol of evil [rather than a real being].

This is another incredible statistic.

1. I'm shocked that only 56% of Assembly of God asserted that. That MUST be a function of newer younger members more influenced by the culture.

The AoG congregations I've been a part of 99.99% of the congregants have asserted that. And, I think a number of the one's I'm aware of currently would have a higher percentage of congregants asserting that than 56%. Mystifying.

I know a head AoG Pastor in Lousiana. There's no way he'd let a Pastor under his care and influence in that state get away with teaching anything different about satan being a real character.

Nevertheless, 17% for RC's believing such is even more shocking.

The haughtiness of a number of RC's hereon castigating Dr E and I as being tools of satan becomes hilarious in terms of this statistic. Evidently 83% of their RC cohorts would be just as convinced that Dr E and I were tools of the Pillsbury Doughboy!

24/7/365 Proddys get hereon this bunch of hot fetid air constantly about how monolithically in agreement, unified, homogeneous, pristinely sanctified, in unity for the whole of the [1600] VAIWSOTARM INSTITUTION'S existence . . . yada yada yada the RCC is on a list of theological dogma, issues.

Proddys have, for a few years now, asserted on FR that such is simply NOT THE REALITY. NOT THE CASE. . . . THAT such brazenly untrue assertions are THOROUGHLY INACCURATE, WRONG, FALSE.

As usualy, we are then characterized as hateful, lying, ignorant etc.

Yet, once again, solid factual data from reliable surveys indicates that the Proddys have been right all along. The Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology And Reality Mangling is ANYTHING BUT homogeneous in its theology and certainly in its public pronouncements and practices of same. Perhaps most outrageously, the vast majority of the folks in the pew are a LONG ways from the more conservative elements of the very heterodox hierarchy.

This statistic is merely yet more proof of such sad facts.

I was already coming to the reluctant conclusion that most of the RCC pontificators on FR were dreadfully ignorant of their own church; of reality; of history and of Scripture . . . and tend to therefore write far more out of their on extremely narrow biases, tunnel vision, pseudo-Mary-aura'd-farcical-fantasies and the like.

Now, I'm being pushed somewhat reluctantly to the perspective and conviction that most of them REALLY ARE THOROUGHLY OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY . . . PARTICULARLY about their own RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.

YET THEY QUITE HAUGHTILY
SPEAK DOWN TO PRODDYS
as the unwashed separatists
who had the damnable cheek and stupidity
to leave MOTHER church.

Obviously, in their terms, 80% or so of the self-identified Roman Catholics have LEFT MOTHER CHURCH as well--in all but name and social conventions only.

Yet, somehow it's the Proddys who are ignorant and outside the fold.

What an outrageous farce. Obviously, by the time they cleaned up their own house, they wouldn't have much energy or time left to be so arrogant toward Proddys.

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MORE
Quixicated
REFLECTIONS & COMMENTARY
ON THESE HORRENDOUS STATS:

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Bible Reading: the highest was 75%, by those going to a Pentecostal/Foursquare church who reported they had read the Bible during the past week (besides at church), while the lowest was among Catholics at 23%

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  FR RC'S have wailed, whined, spewed and pontificated endlessly about how RC's get MORE Scripture [during the Mass] than Proddys are exposed to.

  Yet again we see that RC's purported LOVE OF THE WORD OF GOD is GROSSLY LACKING!

  Particularly compared to Pentecostals. I wonder where Charismatic Roman Catholics would rate.

  Personally, I've NEVER found ANYONE'S LOVE OF GOD to out strip their LOVE OF GOD'S WORD IN PRINTED/ORAL SCRIPTURE.

  I certainly could believe that love of bead fondling could outstrip love of Scripture.

  Regardless, this is an outrage that FR RC's could still pretend that Roman Catholics at large have a great Love of Scripture--particularly if they also insist--that RC's love Scripture more than Proddys. It JUST AIN'T SO.

  Volunteer church work (during past 7 days): Assemblies of God were highest at 30%, with the lowest going to Catholics at 12%.

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  Ahhhhhhhhhhh now we look at voluntary sacrifices of time and energy in behalf of God . . . or even in behalf of one's RELIGIOUS group, congregation, structure.

  I'm saddened to see AoG so low. Yet, it's more than DOUBLE the RC's who were LOWEST of ALL the groups.

  IMPRESSIVE, RC'S VERY IMPRESSIVE. Congrats on scraping the bottom of the barrel YET AGAIN!