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To: presently no screen name
Because you enjoy a cigar and drink, you say I'm spiritually weak because I chose to not give into my wants?

Do you want to have a cigar?

As I said before, 'it's personal'. I wasn't implying you have to be like me but you seem to be implying that I must be like you - otherwise I'm weak!

Not at all. You can be weak without trying to be like me.

I showed you where it was, for me! Somehow that bothers you even though you asked for Scripture

No, actually you didn't, and that has been the main point of my response. There's nothing in that passage about whether or not one can enjoy a cigar. There are general statements in the Bible about how we ought to care for our bodies for Christ's sake, and there are specific lists of morally objectionable activities (adultery, murder, etc), but there is nothing specific about the original matters that were raised (drinking and smoking). And there is certainly nothing in the Bible about some automatic abuse of a thing by the members because of the pastor. (Recall, “What the priest does in moderation, the lay person does in excess?”) That's all I was trying to say.

Now, if I had a piece of chocolate cake in the house, I'd have it - for some reason I think I deserve it right now! ;)

Ah, works righteousness. :-)

1,157 posted on 01/19/2011 5:16:38 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: topcat54
Do you want to have a cigar?

Why didn't you offer me the chocolate cake?

Not at all. You can be weak without trying to be like me.

I don't want to be like you, I want to be like Jesus.

There's nothing in that passage about whether or not one can enjoy a cigar. There are general statements in the Bible about how we ought to care for our bodies for Christ's sake, and there are specific lists of morally objectionable activities (adultery, murder, etc), but there is nothing specific about the original matters that were raised (drinking and smoking). And there is certainly nothing in the Bible about some automatic abuse of a thing by the members because of the pastor.

Perhaps, this is a 'blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed' moment. It doesn't have to be spelled out for me, I have an inner knowing of what edifies me or what doesn't.

You didn't respond to what you claim is 'my obsession'. I'd like to hear what it is.

if I had a piece of chocolate cake in the house, I'd have it - for some reason I think I deserve it right now! ;) Ah, works righteousness.

For me, patience. ;)
1,162 posted on 01/19/2011 5:44:41 PM PST by presently no screen name
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