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To: topcat54
Do you want to have a cigar?

Why didn't you offer me the chocolate cake?

Not at all. You can be weak without trying to be like me.

I don't want to be like you, I want to be like Jesus.

There's nothing in that passage about whether or not one can enjoy a cigar. There are general statements in the Bible about how we ought to care for our bodies for Christ's sake, and there are specific lists of morally objectionable activities (adultery, murder, etc), but there is nothing specific about the original matters that were raised (drinking and smoking). And there is certainly nothing in the Bible about some automatic abuse of a thing by the members because of the pastor.

Perhaps, this is a 'blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed' moment. It doesn't have to be spelled out for me, I have an inner knowing of what edifies me or what doesn't.

You didn't respond to what you claim is 'my obsession'. I'd like to hear what it is.

if I had a piece of chocolate cake in the house, I'd have it - for some reason I think I deserve it right now! ;) Ah, works righteousness.

For me, patience. ;)
1,162 posted on 01/19/2011 5:44:41 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
In your opening comments you said:

And those that are Holy Spirit filled see honoring God is honoring His Word … If I am not my own, why would I do anything that HE who is in me wouldn't? If I did, it would be to satisfy my own wants/desires.

Implying that anyone who drinks or smokes wouldn't be doing what Jesus would do. In fact you made a number of comments that sounded very absolutist wrt behavior, for you and others. Later you modified you view to say “for me.” which is fine. But you didn't start off that way.

What is 'this obsession that grips me'?

Perhaps the need to abstain from things adiaphora, and see that same behavior in others. Do you consider it possible for smokers or drinkers to be Christian brethren? Or are they not “honoring the Holy Spirit?”

1,166 posted on 01/19/2011 6:01:10 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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