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To: topcat54; cinciella
tc: “Bottom line here is that there is no reference to modern secular Israel in the Abrahamic blessing or in any other blessing – literally speaking.”
cinc: What part of “and to your descendants” is so hard to understand?

Tc And what part of the “father of many nations” don't you understand?
cinc: I never said I don’t understand that. We are “adopted” in. Abraham is also the father of all that came from Ishmael. That is not what “and to your descendants” is talking about. There are specific promises made to the ethnic children of Israel that don’t apply to the Ishmaelites or to the Gentiles.

Ephesians 2 --> whooa, that IS informative and clearly stating that all Christians are now part of the house of ISrael
1,024 posted on 01/19/2011 7:52:30 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Cronos; cinciella
Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh … (Eph. 2:11)

The import of this statement by Paul in that day cannot be underestimated. Paul was speaking of these converts as “former gentiles.” It’s common today among folks who continue to foster ethnic and racial division within Christ’s body to refer to believers as “gentile Christians” or “Hebrew Christians.” Some of the more hardcore even go so far as to claim that the very name “Christian” is really a gentile invention, to be used only of “gentiles,” and that Christianity is somehow a purely gentile religion.

Nonsense. Those suggestions are patently false. We are no longer “gentiles in the flesh” or even “Israel after the flesh” (cf. 1 Cor. 10:18). We are one body, one flesh, under one Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ.

We are the temple of the Holy Spirit, the true dwelling place of God. We should no longer be content referring to one another with racial labels. It breeds division, something the apostle Paul fought long and hard against.

1,040 posted on 01/19/2011 8:28:58 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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