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The Not So Secret Rapture
reformed.org ^ | W. Fred Rice

Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54

Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.

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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: crusades; endtimes; eschatology; rapture
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To: count-your-change

good point, i thought i included that.


861 posted on 01/18/2011 5:58:27 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: count-your-change

good point, i thought i included that.


862 posted on 01/18/2011 5:58:29 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Sounds like you’re ASSUMING

THAT

my education and convictions about the Trinity

are lacking.

What a gift that y’all are so terminally epic-fail

WRONG so often.

It helps highlight the cultish horrors if such beliefs as raging rampant Maryolatry etc.


863 posted on 01/18/2011 5:59:12 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

you’ve been busted buddy.


864 posted on 01/18/2011 5:59:22 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: count-your-change

Whoever wrote for the Catholic Encyclopedia was literate.


865 posted on 01/18/2011 5:59:45 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: boatbums

maybe you should explain the Trinity to her now, or doesn’t that matter either?


866 posted on 01/18/2011 6:01:32 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: cinciella
What part of “and to your descendants” is so hard to understand?

And what part of the “father of many nations” don't you understand?

867 posted on 01/18/2011 6:02:14 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: Quix
1. a massive meteor struck and/or

2. the Canary islands undersea volcano side fell off into deeper water due to an eruption or quake and/or

3. during some pole shift dynamics, the tilt or spin dislodged some large amount of that water from the equater and it sloshed around the ocean basins in huge amounts.

and/or Skeletor defeats He-Man

and/or the Shredder has four servings of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle soup garnished with splinters of Splinter

and/or the Bilderburgers open the doors for full public coverage of all procedures

and/or Ahmanutjob in Iran actually turns out to work for the Mossad.

869 posted on 01/18/2011 6:05:35 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; ...
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in dishonor
of another
UNMITIGATEDLY EPIC-FAIL-WRONG ASSERTION
YET AGAIN
by folks of the
Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology and Reality Mangling Cult's
Rabid Clique of
Irratioinal Finger Frothing, Absurdity Spewing
Of the Mary-Statue-Toe-Kissers' Society.

At least, that's what the evidence is pointing to.

870 posted on 01/18/2011 6:06:42 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
a oneness heretic, eh?

In my opinion, at the very least.

871 posted on 01/18/2011 6:07:42 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: boatbums

There are many cultures where if someone becomes a Christian, their family will oppose it strongly, and try to persuade them to *come back*, and generally make their lives miserable.

But when they get baptized, their family outright disowns them and writes them out of their will. In the worst case scenarios, the family will act as if the person died.

It’s not that something magical happens when one is baptized, but it is an identifying with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ in a very profound way.

It’s something that is done out of obedience and should be done of one’s own free will, not inflicted on any one.

Many people who come to Christ as adults who were infant baptized choose to get baptized again, simply as a taking a stand and making a public declaration kind of thing. There’s something about making a commitment and sealing it with a ceremony that makes it more meaningful and significant.


872 posted on 01/18/2011 6:08:11 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

No, not quite. Did you miss Jesus’ own explanation in Matt. 13?

Silliness? History and Protestants, Joe Smith, etc.


873 posted on 01/18/2011 6:08:16 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Lee N. Field; cinciella

Jeremiah 31
1 “At that time,” declares the LORD, “I will be the God of all the families of Israel, and they will be my people.”

2 This is what the LORD says:

“The people who survive the sword
will find favor in the wilderness;
I will come to give rest to Israel.”

3 The LORD appeared to us in the past, saying:

“I have loved you with an everlasting love;
I have drawn you with unfailing kindness.
4 I will build you up again,
and you, Virgin Israel, will be rebuilt.
Again you will take up your timbrels
and go out to dance with the joyful.
5 Again you will plant vineyards
on the hills of Samaria;
the farmers will plant them
and enjoy their fruit.
6 There will be a day when watchmen cry out
on the hills of Ephraim,
‘Come, let us go up to Zion,
to the LORD our God.’”

7 This is what the LORD says:

“Sing with joy for Jacob;
shout for the foremost of the nations.
Make your praises heard, and say,
‘LORD, save your people,
the remnant of Israel.’
8 See, I will bring them from the land of the north
and gather them from the ends of the earth.
Among them will be the blind and the lame,
expectant mothers and women in labor;
a great throng will return.
9 They will come with weeping;
they will pray as I bring them back.
I will lead them beside streams of water
on a level path where they will not stumble,
because I am Israel’s father,
and Ephraim is my firstborn son.

10 “Hear the word of the LORD, you nations;
proclaim it in distant coastlands:
‘He who scattered Israel will gather them
and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.’
11 For the LORD will deliver Jacob
and redeem them from the hand of those stronger than they.
12 They will come and shout for joy on the heights of Zion;
they will rejoice in the bounty of the LORD—
the grain, the new wine and the olive oil,
the young of the flocks and herds.
They will be like a well-watered garden,
and they will sorrow no more.
13 Then young women will dance and be glad,
young men and old as well.
I will turn their mourning into gladness;
I will give them comfort and joy instead of sorrow.
14 I will satisfy the priests with abundance,
and my people will be filled with my bounty,”
declares the LORD.

15 This is what the LORD says:

“A voice is heard in Ramah,
mourning and great weeping,
Rachel weeping for her children
and refusing to be comforted,
because they are no more.”

16 This is what the LORD says:

“Restrain your voice from weeping
and your eyes from tears,
for your work will be rewarded,”
declares the LORD.
“They will return from the land of the enemy.
17 So there is hope for your descendants,”
declares the LORD.
“Your children will return to their own land.

18 “I have surely heard Ephraim’s moaning:
‘You disciplined me like an unruly calf,
and I have been disciplined.
Restore me, and I will return,
because you are the LORD my God.
19 After I strayed,
I repented;
after I came to understand,
I beat my breast.
I was ashamed and humiliated
because I bore the disgrace of my youth.’
20 Is not Ephraim my dear son,
the child in whom I delight?
Though I often speak against him,
I still remember him.
Therefore my heart yearns for him;
I have great compassion for him,”
declares the LORD.

21 “Set up road signs;
put up guideposts.
Take note of the highway,
the road that you take.
Return, Virgin Israel,
return to your towns.
22 How long will you wander,
unfaithful Daughter Israel?
The LORD will create a new thing on earth—
the woman will return to the man.”

23 This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: “When I bring them back from captivity, the people in the land of Judah and in its towns will once again use these words: ‘The LORD bless you, you prosperous city, you sacred mountain.’ 24 People will live together in Judah and all its towns—farmers and those who move about with their flocks. 25 I will refresh the weary and satisfy the faint.”

26 At this I awoke and looked around. My sleep had been pleasant to me.

27 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will plant the kingdoms of Israel and Judah with the offspring of people and of animals. 28 Just as I watched over them to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant,” declares the LORD. 29 “In those days people will no longer say,

‘The parents have eaten sour grapes,
and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’

30 Instead, everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge.

31 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them”,
declares the LORD.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the LORD.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the LORD,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the LORD.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

35 This is what the LORD says,

he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar—
the LORD Almighty is his name:
36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”
declares the LORD,
“will Israel ever cease
being a nation before me.”

37 This is what the LORD says:

“Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,”
declares the LORD.

38 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when this city will be rebuilt for me from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 The measuring line will stretch from there straight to the hill of Gareb and then turn to Goah. 40 The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown, and all the terraces out to the Kidron Valley on the east as far as the corner of the Horse Gate, will be holy to the LORD. The city will never again be uprooted or demolished.”


874 posted on 01/18/2011 6:08:44 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: Quix

Who isn’t God, the Father? the Son? or the Holy Spirit?
enquirng minds want to know? Joseph Smith’s cult is older than yours!!


875 posted on 01/18/2011 6:09:32 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: impimp1

And your assumptions and inferences would be

horribly, terminally

EPIC FAIL

!WRONG!

YET AGAIN!

Did you just join FR?

Some of us have the bias that it’s better for folks to let the desert winds dry them behind the ears after crawling out from under a rock, before they start spewing unmitigated nonsense.


876 posted on 01/18/2011 6:09:39 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

there are no types and figures in the NT, the OT is full of them! Once Jesus has come, the need for types and figures are gone, because they all pointed to Him and He came already. Jesus does not ask you to do meaningless ceremonies to identify with Him, the Bible teaches Baptism is for the forgiveness of sins and receiving the Holy Spirit. it is not a type or figure!


877 posted on 01/18/2011 6:13:53 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: count-your-change

sorry if you don’t like history, but everyone should know Church and Bible History. How else can you know God? ignorance of history is the devil’s playground!


878 posted on 01/18/2011 6:16:11 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Quix

Then answer my question! Do you believe in the Trinity or not? Without answering this I have to assume you are just a troublemaker.


879 posted on 01/18/2011 6:20:04 PM PST by impimp1
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To: impimp1

i thought Jesus said let your light shine before men. why be afraid to tell us who God is?


880 posted on 01/18/2011 6:23:04 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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