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The Not So Secret Rapture
reformed.org ^ | W. Fred Rice

Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54

Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.

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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: crusades; endtimes; eschatology; rapture
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To: Judith Anne; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
Any prod who refuses to put their church denomination on a Catholic/Prod thread is a dirty yellow coward. Privacy, baloney!

Yeah, Proddys, I know. I know.

It identifies each and every Proddy on FR in a horrific and clearly personally assaultive, way.

And, it may well be that Nurse R and however many cohorts will successfully cluck their tongues and shake their fingers however energetically year in and year out this side of eternity.

Thankfully, God knows and we know the truth . . . about ourselves and about Scripture. It's sad for those who don't.

1,501 posted on 01/20/2011 3:42:49 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

INDEED TO THE MAX.


1,502 posted on 01/20/2011 3:44:19 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Judith Anne; Religion Moderator; Quix; metmom
Any prod who refuses to put their church denomination on a Catholic/Prod thread is a dirty yellow coward.

I'm amazed that nobody shares their personal information with you after you've asked so sweetly.

1,503 posted on 01/20/2011 3:51:04 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

Hard to believe, isn't it?

1,504 posted on 01/20/2011 3:58:08 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Judith Anne; metmom; Quix

That statement is so strange-— just by posting I know most every Protestant’s church denomination or I can narrow it down if I talk to them long enough. anytime I had to ask, they told me. Now Catholics on the other hand want to hide behind “Catholic”, yet we now know there are hundreds of sects of “Catholics” and they wont reveal which one is theirs, especially the pentecostal Catholics.


1,505 posted on 01/20/2011 3:58:52 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: metmom

It’s a good thing she didn’t “triple dog dare” you. Then you wouldn’t have a choice!


1,506 posted on 01/20/2011 4:00:17 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: metmom

Well, our faith is not church-centered but relationship-centered, which is why evangelical unity transcends denomination. But re. IDs, its not 1555, when Paul IV issued a canon (papal law), Cum Nimis Absurdum, by which the Roman Ghetto was created. Jews were then forced to live in seclusion in a specified area of the rione Sant’Angelo, locked in at night, and he decreed that Jews should wear a distinctive sign, yellow hats for men and veils or shawls for women. The papacy, the Jews, and the Holocaust - Page 29, Frank J. Coppa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_nimis_absurdum


1,507 posted on 01/20/2011 4:01:47 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: metmom

“Nor are we fools. We are exercising discernment.”

That’s good because I really don’t care where your recliner is located in the den.

It only serves to emphasize that each one of you considers what you interpret to be guided and correct.

What is also underscores is the fact that because each one of you(plural) considers yourself(plural) to be soley guided to make that sole interpretation and consider it WITHOUT ERROR that we know that each one has to hide the DISCRETE DIFFERENCES within each and every aspect of the interpretations, and there are difference in the interpretations because some are not Nicene, others omit other things and add some others that don’t belong to any other group.

You all claim Justification by faith alone, but the details are what count.

There are many things that a Christian must believe. Deviate and claim one of them is false or not according to their particular interpretation and

THE WHOLE EDIFICE IS BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER.

You can’t claim that YOUR interpretation that is guided by the Spirit is correct but your non-Catholic cohort’s is not
and be in accord with the Spirit’s guidance.


1,508 posted on 01/20/2011 4:02:17 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Quix

Some of the more colorful posts are so horrifically offensive and personally assaultive, we have bite hard not to reply.


1,509 posted on 01/20/2011 4:05:02 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: daniel1212

Nevertheless, I like my existence to be peaceful, boring, and predictable.

I can turn off the computer any time and escape the harassment I encounter here any time I wish. Can’t do that if someone knows who I am, where I live, and who my family is.

I’ve more people to think of than just me.


1,510 posted on 01/20/2011 4:06:34 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Discernment of what? Certainly not Scripture.

As much as prods accuse Catholics of presenting a moving target, the duplicitous ones are the prods who are afraid of having their denomination looked at.

As far as privacy goes? Please. Nobody cares who any of you are.


1,511 posted on 01/20/2011 4:08:51 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

I did ask sweetly. Then I asked persistently, and got reported to the mod for it, because SOMEONE was afraid they would be identified if they put their denomination on line.

I’m not asking sweetly anymore. Prods hide behind lack of identification, so their denominations can’t be challenged the way THEY challenge Catholics. That’s cowardice.


1,512 posted on 01/20/2011 4:11:03 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
As far as privacy goes? Please. Nobody cares who any of you are.

Really? Then why the heck do you keep asking?

1,513 posted on 01/20/2011 4:13:01 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: OpusatFR
What is also underscores is the fact that because each one of you(plural) considers yourself(plural) to be soley guided to make that sole interpretation and consider it WITHOUT ERROR that we know that each one has to hide the DISCRETE DIFFERENCES within each and every aspect of the interpretations, and there are difference in the interpretations because some are not Nicene, others omit other things and add some others that don’t belong to any other group.

I don't know that I've ever seen anyone say that their interpretation is without error, although maybe I wasn't looking or on the right threads.

There are some things that are not critical to salvation and those are the things that are non-issues. Some people believe in pre-destination, some in free will. That's not a salvation critical issue.

Likewise speaking in tongues being evidence of the filling of the Holy Spirit.

Infant baptism is a matter of choice.

Outside of the basics, salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone, there are hardly any more significant differences than exist between some of the Catholic rites.

EO, from what I've gathered based on statements made on FR, seems to be closer to Protestantism than Roman Catholicism, and yet the RCC considers them (somewhat errant) Catholics.

Catholicism is not so united in doctrine and theology as they like to present either.

1,514 posted on 01/20/2011 4:14:39 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Judith Anne

Some simply avoid giving too much personal information out over the net. It’s just not a good idea.


1,515 posted on 01/20/2011 4:15:03 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

The question of the ages.......


1,516 posted on 01/20/2011 4:16:03 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
I can turn off the computer any time and escape the harassment I encounter here any time I wish. Can’t do that if someone knows who I am, where I live, and who my family is.

Oh, yes, and identifying your denomination tells all of that. Yep. You bet. I don't want to know, I DO know that you have nothing to say regarding Catholics that has any meaning whatsoever, due to the incredible ignorance of the Church that you display. I still say anyone who refuses to tell their denominiation is a dirty yellow coward. Definitely not someone a Catholic could have a theological discussion with.

1,517 posted on 01/20/2011 4:16:40 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Oh, well, then, I’m a former Catholic. What I am now is no one’s business. Got it?


1,518 posted on 01/20/2011 4:17:33 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne

I’m not sure what kind of reaction you’re looking for. How about I pat you on the head and give you a cookie?


1,519 posted on 01/20/2011 4:20:06 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear
Really? Then why the heck do you keep asking?

I don't keep asking. The last time I asked, LAST MAY, Miss MetMom went whining to the Mod that I was trying to invade her privacy, like anybody cared. I just find it difficult to hold a discussion about religion with someone who won't identify theirs. Ya know? That's why I don't discuss religion with Miss MetMom any more.

1,520 posted on 01/20/2011 4:22:01 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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