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The Not So Secret Rapture
reformed.org ^ | W. Fred Rice

Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54

Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.

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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: crusades; endtimes; eschatology; rapture
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To: metmom

I don’t care what your denomination is. I have said so many times. It is obviously an inferior excuse for a storefront church, or you’d have learned something.


1,401 posted on 01/20/2011 11:14:18 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
Yes, it is amazing. Evidently, in some people's books, the ONLY sinners are Catholics.

Which books are those? Could you provide links to that assertion?

1,402 posted on 01/20/2011 11:15:40 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: the_conscience

Ahhhhh

WRONG.

Your interpretation of what I say, is that.

I gather you’ve ignored or not seeN where I’ve asserted that all will be brought into THE BODY OF CHRIST—ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB AND THEIR DESCENDANTS’ MESSIAH.

Y’ALL SEEM to insist something like that happened in 70AD.

I insist it didn’t.

Yet, Scripture is clear that it IS scheduled . . . in THESE END TIMES.

God is in charge of that timing—not me.


1,403 posted on 01/20/2011 11:16:35 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom; Religion Moderator
Well, the number of times you've asked me about it, you sure seem to.

Quit badgering me about something that happened last May. I have not been reprimanded since then about you. I appeal to the RM to remind you.

1,404 posted on 01/20/2011 11:17:33 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: metmom

Cue one of my guffaw pics.


1,405 posted on 01/20/2011 11:18:01 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

“Still looking for he Proddy one where the pastors have been reassigned and the leadership has been told to keep it quiet.”

Imagine sending a letter of recommendation ahead knowing the offenders actions!


1,406 posted on 01/20/2011 11:20:34 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..

I wonder if Parochial schools have their own special little children’s choruses . . . for training . . .

in this area of Roman Catholocism . . . there MUST be something like

WAILING FOR JESUS!
WAILING FOR JESUS!
COME ALONE AND WHINE WITH ME!
WAILING FOR JESUS!
WAILING FOR JESUS!
KICKING AND SCREAMING ON MARY’S KNEE!


1,407 posted on 01/20/2011 11:21:47 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: The Theophilus; Judith Anne
JA: Non-denominational churches are the worst for child abuse, because they form and dissolve with no formal organization to take responsibility when crimes occur, and they do occur.

What a joke. The person responsible for the crime is the perpetrator. The church leadership can deal with it by revoking his credentials and turning him in to the authorities, as should be done when a crime has been committed..

I'd still like to see examples of non-Catholic churches which shuffled abusive pastors around and covered it up as the Catholic church has done.

1,408 posted on 01/20/2011 11:22:35 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Judith Anne; metmom

I can go try and find a thawed out garden hose,

MetMom,

if you’d like all that sticky Mother Mary White Hanky’d Sweetness hosed off.


1,409 posted on 01/20/2011 11:23:32 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Judith Anne

Just providing evidence that I did not lie.

You said I was wrong. I wasn’t.

I guess I made the mistake of presuming you’d want me to back it up if I said so.


1,410 posted on 01/20/2011 11:24:51 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Well, it’s certainly humbling to consider that Nineveh avoided destruction at least in part because God showed mercy upon the cattle there.

Scripture is quite plain on this.

1,411 posted on 01/20/2011 11:25:48 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Quix

I’m being overwhelmed with Catholic charity today, aren’t I?


1,412 posted on 01/20/2011 11:26:39 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Funny thing is, if a Protestant smokes or drinks a Catholic’s first reaction is *What kind of Christian are you?!?!*

What world do you live in? That is not a Catholic's first reaction unless that particular Protestant has already made a big deal about not smoking or drinking and then indulging in secret.

Q: Where is the only place in the world that one Baptist will not recognize another?

A: In the liquor store...

1,413 posted on 01/20/2011 11:29:33 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Judith Anne; metmom
*Non-denominational churches are the worst for child abuse, because they form and dissolve with no formal organization to take responsibility when crimes occur, and they do occur. Criminal pastors flee to other states, take up different work or live off what they stole, leaving behind girlfriends and boy "friends" of all ages.*

please provide proof of this

1,414 posted on 01/20/2011 11:30:37 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: metmom; caww; All

from this link:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/hark/2010/05/25/scandal-creates-contempt-for-catholic-clergy/39/

“There is no plausible evidence that Catholic priests are gangs of sexual predators, as they are being portrayed,” said Pennsylvania State University Prof. Philip Jenkins, eminent religion and history scholar, and a non-Catholic who’s studied the church’s abuse problems for 20 years.

Jenkins said there has been no formal study comparing denominations for rates of child abuse. However, insurers have been assessing the risks since they began offering riders on liability policies in the 1980s. Two of the largest insurers report no higher risks in covering Catholic churches than Protestant denominations.

Wisconsin-based Church Mutual Insurance Co. has 100,000 client churches and has seen a steady filing of about five sexual molestation cases a week for more than a decade, even though its client base has grown.

“It would be incorrect to call it a Catholic problem,” said Church Mutual’s risk control manager, Rick Schaber. “We do not see one denomination above another. It’s equal. It’s also equal among large metropolitan churches and small rural churches.”

Iowa-based Guide One Center for Risk Management, which insures more than 40,000 congregations, also said Catholic churches are not considered a greater risk or charged higher premiums.

“Our claims experience shows this happens evenly across denominations,” said spokeswoman Melanie Stonewall.


1,415 posted on 01/20/2011 11:31:50 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: metmom; Judith Anne
Anyone can say anything on the internet. Please provide more than speculation to support your contention. For all your statements for how pervasive it is, you haven't provided any objective evidence to support that. For that matter you haven't even provided any anecdotal evidence to support your assertions.

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1,416 posted on 01/20/2011 11:37:17 AM PST by conservonator (How many times? 70 x 7! (still Kant spill))
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To: All

from a 2004 FR thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1072105/posts

MINISTERS

The data on the Protestant clergy tends to focus on sexual abuse in general, not on sexual abuse of children. Thus, strict comparisons cannot always be made. But there are some comparative data available on the subject of child sexual molestation, and what has been reported is quite revealing.

In a 1984 survey, 38.6 percent of ministers reported sexual contact with a church member, and 76 percent knew of another minister who had had sexual intercourse with a parishioner.[xiii] In the same year, a Fuller Seminary survey of 1,200 ministers found that 20 percent of theologically “conservative” pastors admitted to some sexual contact outside of marriage with a church member. The figure jumped to over 40 percent for “moderates”; 50 percent of “liberal” pastors confessed to similar behavior.[xiv]

In 1990, in a study by the Park Ridge Center for the Study of Health, Faith and Ethics in Chicago, it was learned that 10 percent of ministers said they had had an affair with a parishioner and about 25 percent admitted some sexual contact with a parishioner.[xv] Two years later, a survey by Leadership magazine found that 37 percent of ministers confessed to having been involved in “inappropriate sexual behavior” with a parishioner.[xvi]

In a 1993 survey by the Journal of Pastoral Care, 14 percent of Southern Baptist ministers said they had engaged in “inappropriate sexual behavior,” and 70 percent said they knew a minister who had had such contact with a parishioner.[xvii] Joe E. Trull is co-author of the 1993 book, Ministerial Ethics, and he found that “from 30 to 35 percent of ministers of all denominations admit to having sexual relationships—from inappropriate touching to sexual intercourse—outside of marriage.”[xviii]

According to a 2000 report to the Baptist General Convention in Texas, “The incidence of sexual abuse by clergy has reached ‘horrific proportions.’” It noted that in studies done in the 1980s, 12 percent of ministers had “engaged in sexual intercourse with members” and nearly 40 percent had “acknowledged sexually inappropriate behavior.” The report concluded that “The disturbing aspect of all research is that the rate of incidence for clergy exceeds the client-professional rate for physicians and psychologists.”[xix] Regarding pornography and sexual addiction, a national survey disclosed that about 20 percent of all ministers are involved in the behavior.[xx]

In the spring of 2002, when the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church was receiving unprecedented attention, the Christian Science Monitor reported on the results of national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources. The conclusion: “Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers.”[xxi]

Finally, in the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.[xxii]


1,417 posted on 01/20/2011 11:39:05 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: All

Here’s an interesting website:

http://www.reformation.com/

“A collection of news reports on ministers who have sexually abused children.”


1,418 posted on 01/20/2011 11:40:30 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: All

Let’s look at Baptists:

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm


1,419 posted on 01/20/2011 11:41:55 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne

who’s “Christa” other than a blogger?


1,420 posted on 01/20/2011 11:43:12 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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