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I hope to get Joel 3 up before sleep but we shall see.

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Blessings to all who read the above with an open mind.

I’d be very blessed and honored if Alamo-Girl and Betty Boop would honor with any of their thoughtful comments on the above.

Wow. Good job. I look forward to reading it.

Will print and save. Thanks, Quix!

When you mentioned, in box 3, the army beyond numbering, when Jerusalem was sacked by Rome, Titus had 3 legions of men HARDLY an army beyond numbering. Probably somewhere in the 50-75,000 range.

Umm, this isn't influenced by certain street pharmaceuticals, is it?

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(can be downloaded here http://www.isr-messianic.org/ and has lots of footnotes that I just love)

Joel 1:1 The word of יהוה that came to Yo’ĕl son of Pethu’ĕl. :2 Hear this, you elders, and give ear, all you inhabitants of the land! Has this ever been in your days, or even in the days of your fathers? :3 Relate it to your children, and your children to their children, and their children to the generation after them. :4 What the gnawing locust left the swarming locust has eaten, and what the swarming locust left the crawling locust has eaten, and what the crawling locust left the consuming locust has eaten. :5 Wake up, you drunkards, and weep. And wail, all you drinkers of wine, on account of the new wine, for it has been cut off from your mouth. :6 For a nation has come up against My land, strong, and innumerable. Its teeth are the teeth of a lion, and it has the fangs of a lioness. :7 It has laid waste My vine and splintered My fig tree. It has made it entirely bare and cast it away, its branches became white. :8 Wail like a maiden girded with sackcloth for the husband of her youth. :9 The grain offering and the drink offering have been cut off from the House of יהוה. The priests, servants of יהוה, have mourned. :10 The field is ravaged, the ground has mourned, for the grain is ruined, the new wine has dried up, the oil fails. :11 The farmers are ashamed, the vinedressers wail over the wheat and over the barley, for the harvest of the field is destroyed. :12 The vine has dried up, and the fig tree droops, pomegranate, also palm, and apple tree, all the trees of the field are dried up, because joy has dried up among the sons of men. :13 Gird yourselves and lament, you priests. Wail, you attendants of the altar. Come, lie all night in sackcloth, you attendants of my Elohim. For the grain offering and the drink offering are withheld from the house of your Elohim. :14 Set apart a fast. Call an assembly, gather the elders, all the inhabitants of the land, into the House of יהוה your Elohim, and cry out to יהוה. :15 Alas for the day! For the day of יהוה is near, and it comes as destruction from the Almighty. :16 Is not the food cut off before our eyes, joy and gladness from the House of our Elohim? :17 The seed has rotted under their clods, storehouses are laid waste, granaries are broken down, for the grain has withered. :18 How the beasts moan! The herds of cattle are restless, because they have no pasture. The flocks of sheep also perish. :19 I cry to You יהוה, for fire has consumed the pastures of the wilderness, and a flame has set on fire all the trees of the field.

Joel 2:1 Blow a ram’s horn in Tsiyon, and sound an alarm in My set-apart mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the earth tremble, for the day of יהוה is coming, for it is near: :2 a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness, like the morning clouds spread over the mountains – a people many and strong, the like of whom has never been, nor shall there ever be again after them, to the years of many generations. :3 Ahead of them a fire has consumed, and behind them a flame burns. Before them the land is like the Garden of Ěḏen, and behind them a desert waste. And from them there is no escape. :4 Their appearance is like the appearance of horses, and they run like steeds. :5 As the noise of chariots they leap over mountaintops, as the noise of a flaming fire consuming stubble, as a mighty people set in battle array. :6 Before them peoples are in anguish, all faces become flushed. :7 They run like mighty men, they climb the wall like men of battle, every one goes on his way, and they do not break ranks. :8 And they do not press one another, every one goes in his path. They fall among the weapons, but they do not stop. :9 They rush on the city, they run on the wall. They climb into the houses, they enter at the windows like a thief. :10 The earth shall tremble before them, the heavens shall shake. Sun and moon shall be darkened, and the stars withdraw their brightness. :11 And יהוה shall give forth His voice before His army, for His camp is very great, for mighty is the doer of His word. For the day of יהוה is great and very awesome, and who does bear it? :12 “Yet even now,” declares יהוה, “turn to Me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning.” :13 And tear your heart and not your garments, and turn back to יהוה your Elohim, for He shows favour and is compassionate, patient, and of great kindness, and He shall relent concerning the evil. :14 Who knows – He might turn and relent, and leave a blessing behind Him, a grain offering and a drink offering for יהוה your Elohim? :15 Blow a ram’s horn in Tsiyon, set apart a fast, call an assembly. :16 Gather the people, set the assembly apart, assemble the elders, gather the children and nursing babes. Let a bridegroom come out from his room, and a bride from her dressing room. :17 Let the priests, servants of יהוה, weep between the porch and the altar. And let them say, “Spare Your people, O יהוה, and do not give Your inheritance to reproach, for the gentiles to rule over them. Why should they say among the peoples, ‘Where is their Elohim?’ ” :18 And let יהוה be jealous for His land, and spare His people. :19 And let יהוה answer and say to His people, “See, I am sending you the grain and the new wine and the oil, and you shall be satisfied by them. And no longer do I make you a reproach among the gentiles. :20 “And the Northerner I shall remove far from you, and drive him away into a dry and deserted land, with his face toward the eastern sea and his rear toward the western sea. And his stench shall come up and his smell rise, for he has done greatly.” :21 Do not fear, O soil, be glad and rejoice, for יהוה has done greatly! :22 Do not fear, you beasts of the field, for the pastures of the wilderness shall spring forth, and the tree shall bear its fruit, the fig tree and the vine shall yield their strength. :23 And you children of Tsiyon, be glad and rejoice in יהוה your Elohim, for He shall give you the Teacher of Righteousness, and cause the rain to come down for you, the former rain and the latter rain, as before. :24 And the threshing-floors shall be filled with grain, and the vats shall overflow with new wine and oil. :25 “Then I shall repay you the years that the swarming locust has eaten, the crawling locust, and the consuming locust, and the gnawing locust, My great army which I sent among you. :26 “Then you shall eat – eat and be satisfied – and shall praise the Name of יהוה your Elohim, who has done with you so wondrously. And My people shall never be put to shame. :27 “And you shall know that I am in the midst of Yisra’ĕl1, and that I am יהוה your Elohim and there is no one else. And My people shall never be put to shame. Footnote: 1See Isa. 24:23. :28 “And after this it shall be that I pour out My Spirit on all flesh. And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men dream dreams, your young men see visions. :29 “And also on the male servants and on the female servants I shall pour out My Spirit in those days. :30 “And I shall give signs in the heavens and upon the earth: blood and fire and columns of smoke, :31 the sun is turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of יהוה. :32 “And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה shall be delivered1. For on Mount Tsiyon and in Yerushalayim there shall be an escape2 as יהוה has said, and among the survivors whom יהוה calls. Footnotes: 1Acts 2:21, Rom. 10:13. 2Isa. 4:2-3, Obad. v. 17, Rev. 14:1.

Joel 3:1 “For look, in those days and at that time, when I turn back the captivity of Yehuḏah and Yerushalayim, :2 then I shall gather all gentiles, and bring them down to the Valley of Yehoshaphat. And I shall enter into judgment with them there for My people, My inheritance Yisra’ĕl, whom they have scattered among the gentiles, and they have divided up My land. :3 “And they have cast lots for My people, and have given a young man for a whore, and sold a girl for wine, and drank it. :4 “And also, what are you to Me, O Tsor and Tsiḏon, and all the coasts of Philistia? Are you repaying Me? And if you are repaying Me, I would swiftly and speedily return your reward on your own head. :5 “For you have taken My silver and My gold, and brought My treasures into your temples, :6 and the people of Yehuḏah and the people of Yerushalayim you have sold to the sons of Yawan, to remove them far from their borders. :7 “See, I am stirring them up out of the place to which you have sold them, and I shall return on your own head what you have done, :8 and shall sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the people of Yehuḏah, and they shall sell them to the Sheḇaites, to a nation far off. For יהוה has spoken.” :9 Proclaim this among the gentiles, “Prepare for battle! Wake up the mighty men, let all the men of battle draw near, let them come up. :10 “Beat your ploughshares into swords and your pruning-hooks into spears, let the weak say, ‘I am strong.’ ” :11 Hasten and come, all you gentiles, and gather together all around. O יהוה, let Your mighty men come down here. :12 “Let the gentiles be aroused, and come up to the Valley of Yehoshaphat. For there I shall sit to judge all the gentiles on every side. :13 “Put in the sickle, for the harvest has grown ripe. Come, go down, for the winepress is filled, the vats overflow, for their evil is great.” :14 Crowds, crowds in the valley of decision! For the day of יהוה is near in the valley of decision. :15 Sun and moon shall become dark, and stars shall withdraw their brightness. :16 And יהוה shall roar from Tsiyon, and give forth His voice from Yerushalayim. And the heavens and earth shall shake, but יהוה shall be a refuge for His people, and a stronghold for the children of Yisra’ĕl. :17 “Then you shall know that I am יהוה your Elohim, dwelling in Tsiyon, My set-apart mountain1. And Yerushalayim shall be set-apart, and foreigners shall not pass through her again. Footnote: 1See v. 21 and Isa. 24:23. :18 “And it shall be in that day that the mountains drip with new wine, and the hills flow with milk. And all the streams of Yehuḏah shall be flooded with water, and a fountain flow from the House of יהוה and water the wadi Shittim. :19 “Mitsrayim shall become a ruin, and Eḏom a ruin, a wilderness, because of violence done to the people of Yehuḏah, whose innocent blood they shed in their land. :20 “But Yehuḏah shall dwell forever, and Yerushalayim to all generations. :21 “And I shall avenge their blood, which I have not avenged. And יהוה shall be dwelling in Tsiyon!”

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JOEL The Message Version
Joel 3 (The Message) God Is a Safe Hiding Place
1-3"In those days, yes, at that very time when I put life back together again for Judah and Jerusalem, I'll assemble all the godless nations. I'll lead them down into Judgment Valley And put them all on trial, and judge them one and all because of their treatment of my own people Israel. They scattered my people all over the pagan world and grabbed my land for themselves. They threw dice for my people and used them for barter. They would trade a boy for a whore, sell a girl for a bottle of wine when they wanted a drink.	In THOSE days! at THAT VERY TIME! When I (I AM THAT I AM) PUT LIFE back together again! FOR JUDAH AND JERUSALEM! OBVIOUSLY this is not 70AD! Life was !NOT! remotely put back together for Judah OR for Jerusalem--it was shredded! Life has !NOT! been put back together again for Judah and Jerusalem in terms of many of God's PROMISES to them--lo these 2,000 years. Hasn't happened! Yes, 1948 was the beginning of setting the stage for such. And 1967 was yet another incremental step toward that day. And when the Temple is rebuilt, it will be another incremental step toward that day. And even when the Anti-Christ sets his evil image up in the new Temple's Holy of Holies, that too, will be another incremental step to that GLORIOUS day--then a scant roughly 3.5 years off. JEHOVAH WILL ASSEMBLE "all the godless nations" and "lead them down into Judgment Valley--evidently the vast plain of Megiddo as other related prophecies make clear. He WILL "put them all on trial, and judge them one and all . . ." Because of their treatment of grafted-in Gentile Christians? NOPE. Perhaps some may get an extra lick or two for that but that's NOT the BIBLICAL reason! BECAUSE of their treatment of MY OWN PEOPLE ISRAEL! Ankd who are THESE Israeli's? Grafted in Gentile Christian spiritual seed of Abraham? !NOPE! NOT A CHANCE! . . . because of their treatment of MY OWN PEOPLE, ISRAEL. They scattered MY PEOPLE ALL OVER THE PAGAN WORLD. Jehovah warned them in Scripture He would do that--scatter them. And He did. Yet, He is also holding the nations He did it through accountable for the ruthlessness with which they did it. and grabbed MY LAND for themselves! Who's land? JEHOVAH'S LAND that HE, THE I AM THAT I AM chose for HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE--the blood offspring of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. . . . that HE, JEHOVAH CHOSE--FOR HIS OWN GLORY! He's not talking about Rome! Nor Constantinople. Nor Athens. Nor London or Canterbury. Nor Milwaukee. Nor Springfield. Nor Machu Picu. Nor Lasa. Nor Mecca. NOPE! YEH RUH SHA LIAM--JERUSALEM! I AM's HOLY CITY! THE GOD OF ALL THAT IS--HIS CHOSEN CITY. For HIS CHOSEN people and bloodline. The pagans grabbed MY LAND for themselves. And still they left it to lie in waste as prophecies predicted. They stole it, neglected it and abused it and left it to ruin. They didn't really even want it until GOD'S CHOSEN RETURNED to it and made it bloom again. Then the pagan's jealousy burned bright--as predicted in Biblical prophecy. They threw dice for MY PEOPLE . . . used them for barter . . . traded a boy for a whore [and used boys like whores] . . . selling girls for a drink. They thought they could get away with it. They didn't think or thought that ALMIGHTY GOD wasn't looking or wouldn't care or wouldn't bother. Besides, He scattered them all over the pagan world, HE must be done with them--fed up with them. He's trashed them. Let's trash them, too. !WRONG! The ONLY PEOPLE this Scripture can logically, historically and BIBLICALLY BE ABOUT is the blood children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It's OBVIOUS. Besides, NOTHING ELSE makes the least sense.
^4-8 "As for you, Tyre and Sidon and Philistia, why should I bother with you? Are you trying to get back at me for something I did to you? If you are, forget it. I'll see to it that it boomerangs on you. You robbed me, cleaned me out of silver and gold, carted off everything valuable to furnish your own temples. You sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem into slavery to the Greeks in faraway places. But I'm going to reverse your crime. I'm going to free those slaves. I'll have done to you what you did to them: I'll sell your children as slaves to your neighbors, And they'll sell them to the far-off Sabeans."	Ahhhh . . . why should ALMIGHTY GOD bother any further with Lebanon and Gaza? You sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem! NOT the people of Rome or Athens or Canterbury or Milwaukee or Springfield. !NOPE! The PEOPLE of JUDAH AND JERUSALEM! It's interesting that HE emphasizes JUDAH AND JERUSALEM--A REUNITED KINGDOM OF ISRAEL. And HE is going to reverse the slavery, in addition to freeing any remaining ISRAELITE slaves. HE will sell THEM to the far off Sabeans! The Sabeans were a troublesome lot and still are. This link notes that Muhammad incorporated parts of the religion of the Sabeans into Islam: http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-koran-fairy-tales-dr-morey.htm This link gives the location in Southern Arabia--near Aden, as I understand it--as well as the geneologies involved: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=20&letter=S I wonder how many Sabeans are current Islamic pirates in the region. This link notes that the Sabeans are in Yemen: http://formerthings.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/the-sabeans-and-cush-isaiah-45/ "The Sabaean kingdom was located in what is now the Aseer region in southwestern Yemen." It SOUNDS LIKE there may even be slavery in the Millenial reign of Christ. Wow! What a curious thing!
God's Verdict. ^9-11 Announce this to the godless nations: Prepare for battle! Soldiers at attention! Present arms! Advance! Turn your shovels into swords, turn your hoes into spears. Let the weak one throw out his chest and say, "I'm tough, I'm a fighter." Hurry up, pagans! Wherever you are, get a move on! Get your act together. Prepare to be shattered by God!	Hmmmmmm, interesting. Announce this to the GODLESS Nations. Yet, other prophecies make clear that even Israel at the beginning of the Great Tribulation will be largely away from God herself. This passage is interesting. God is kind of tweak-i-ly chiding the pagan nations to gear up boldly to be thrashed, trashed and slaughtered by ALMIGHTY GOD in behalf of HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE . . . And in BEHALF OF HIS GLORY.
¹²Let the pagan nations set out for Judgment Valley. There I'll take my place at the bench and judge all the surrounding nations.	He's calling them to JUDGMENT VALLEY. What an uncheery call! ALMIGHTY GOD on the Bench of justice and judgment! And there's nothing but crimes against HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE with no redemptive covering for the guilty. The surrounding nations are in for it. They'll never be a threat to Israel ever again.
Swing the sickle— the harvest is ready. Stomp on the grapes— the winepress is full. The wine vats are full, overflowing with vintage evil.	Ahhhh the source of the image of THE GRAPES OF WRATH throughout the ages. Evil has multiplied and peaked abroad in the world and particularly against God's CHOSEN PEOPLE. Now it is time for ALMIGHTY GOD to settle accounts. HIS "bias" wins.
¹⁴"Mass confusion, mob uproar— in Decision Valley! God's Judgment Day has arrived in Decision Valley.	Chaos in the VALLEY OF DECISION! Those who ignored the HOUR OF DECISION in choosing God get to face God as judge in the VALLEY OF DECISION. Will there be any opportunity for a decision for God in the valley? Perhaps. Scripture says All who earnestly SEEK GOD, SHALL find HIM. And all who call upon the Name of The Lord shall be saved. Perhaps those truths and principles will operate even then and there. I wouldn't want to bank eternity on it, however.
^15-17"The sky turns black, sun and moon go dark, stars burn out. God roars from Zion, shouts from Jerusalem. Earth and sky quake in terror.	Hmmmm . . . Another warning about the sun, moon and stars going dark. OBVIOUSLY that did NOT happen in 70AD. Yet again the REPLACEMENTARIAN, PRETERIST et al hogwash bites the dust on this one verse alone. GOD ALMIGHTY ROARS FROM ZION! !NOT! from Rome. Not from Canterbury. Not from Springfield. Not from Athens . . . FROM JERUSALEM! This drama is NOT ABOUT grafted-in Gentile Christians. This supreme drama is about GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE--chosen not for their jollies and welfare but FOR HIS GLORY and in honor of HIS BFFE--Best Friend For Eternity--Abraham. Earth AND sky quake in terror. What an odd phrasing. Even the sky QUAKES . . . IN TERROR.
But God is a safe hiding place, a granite safe house for the children of Israel. Then you'll know for sure that I'm your God, Living in Zion, my sacred mountain. Jerusalem will be a sacred city, posted: 'no trespassing.'	YET, GOD HIMSELF is a granite safe house for the children of Isarel, of Jacob. THEN--THEN !THEN! Israel will know who is God; return to God; cling to God--recognize her Messiah--as other prophecies indicate. THEN Jerusalem will be established as a Sacred city and no pagans or unholy anything nor anyone will enter therein.
Milk Rivering Out of the Hills ^18-21 "What a day! Wine streaming off the mountains, Milk rivering out of the hills, water flowing everywhere in Judah, A fountain pouring out of God's Sanctuary, watering all the parks and gardens!	What a striking image--wine streaming off the mountains and milk RIVERING out of the hills. No. I don't think it's symbolic. I believe it is a literal description of a currently still furture event. The GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB, CREATOR GOD IS THAT LAVISH. Ahhhhh a foundain flowing OUT OF GOD'S SANCTUARY. Sounds like the New Jerusalem has come down out of Heaven and the River of Life is flowing out of the Sanctuary as other Biblical Prophets have described.
But Egypt will be reduced to weeds in a vacant lot, Edom turned into barren badlands, All because of brutalities to the Judean people, the atrocities and murders of helpless innocents.	Yet Egypt will be a ruined wasteland, along with Saudia Arabia. They will have tilted against God's CHOSEN PEOPLE one too many times. ALL BECAUSE of BRUTALITIES to the JUDEAN PEOPLE, the atrocities and murders of helpless innocents.
Meanwhile, Judah will be filled with people, Jerusalem inhabited forever. The sins I haven't already forgiven, I'll forgive." God has moved into Zion for good.	JUDAH will be filled with people, JERUSALEM in habited FOREVER. That did !NOT! happen in 70AD. It's absurdly idiotic to pretend it did. GOD ALMIGHTY HAS MOVED INTO ZION FOR GOOD! BLESSED BE THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB! BLESSED THE THE LORD GOD JEHOVAH! BLESSED BE CREATOR GOD--KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS--THE LAMB WHO WAS SLAIN! VERY OBVIOUSLY THAT did NOT happen in 70AD!
The Message (MSG) Copyright © 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson

This works best for me in small bites. Then some assimilation and then another few bites.

Looks like an excellent work.

The Message is not a good translation to my mind. Quite a bit is lost or mellowed or changed. Still I will study this.

Thanks for the hard work.

Joel 3

God Is a Safe Hiding Place

Milk Rivering Out of the Hills