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To: conservativegramma

let me see if you are reading impaired, quote James 2:24 to me please.


250 posted on 01/10/2011 8:27:24 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Not until you quote Romans 3:28; Ephesians 2:8-10; Galatians 2:21; Titus 3:5; etc. etc. You are taking one verse out of its context....back up to verse 14 and start over. #1 James is dealing with people who profess to be Christians, and yet they don't evidence the reality of their faith by their works [deeds]. Over, and over again... people will say they have faith and they don't have works, and James is saying that real faith always produces works.

Paul clearly teaches that we are justified by faith and not by works (Rom. 1:17; Romans 3:28). ...James declares, 'Was not Abraham our father justified by works' (2:21). ...James and Paul would be contradictory if they were speaking about the same thing, but there are many indications in the text that they are not. Paul is speaking about justification before God, while James is talking about justification before humans.

This is indicated by the fact that James stressed that we should 'show' (2:18) our faith. It must be something that can be seen by others in 'works' (2:18-20). Further, James acknowledged that Abraham was justified before God by faith, not works, when he said, 'Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousnes' (James 2:23). When he adds that Abraham was 'justified by works' (v. 21), he is speaking of what Abraham did that could be seen by people, namely offer his son Isaac on the altar (vs. 21-22).

...Paul is stressing the root of justification (faith); James is stressing the fruit of justification (works). ...works as the proof of faith.”

ALL of the Scriptures must be read for proper exegesis; not one verse taken out of its context like you are doing. Your interpretation CONTRADICTS Paul in Romans 3:28 just for starters; therefore it CANNOT be accurate.

Like I said if you want to continue to camp out on ONE VERSE in James while ignoring the entire books of Romans, Ephesians, Galatians, and Titus I'm going to camp out on James 2:10 -

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

How's that thought life one lord???? Speech???? Ever disobeyed your mom when you were little????? Ever got angry with someone????? How's that PERFECTION working out for ya?

254 posted on 01/10/2011 8:50:48 PM PST by conservativegramma
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

Also, in keeping the golden rule, most posters try to stay with the subject of the thread - in this case, "Mormon and Christian" - because they would not want another poster coming onto one of their favorite threads changing the subject.

271 posted on 01/11/2011 7:29:18 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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