Someone is programming you to travel the broad road and you're skipping toward the wide gate, son. When you spend a few years actually reading and studying the Bible, you will discover--if you're spirit is alive with Christ--that God manifests Himself in three functional ways. These ways are the fundamental truth found in the Tanakh and the News Testament. That you can repeat the canned objections conjured up by the dead-soul leadership of Mormonism is not surprising. What is surprising is the way you proudly refuse to do the work to find out if these teachers are lying to you and dragging you along with them on their plummet into Hell!
God The Father Almighty is greater than His creation, thus greater than dimension time and dimension space, thus we may think of The Father Almighty as beyond time and space but not prevented from touching and indeed penetrating His creation.
The universe of space and time is likened to a bubble: what is inside the bubble is in time and space. But the nature of what is inside the bubble is only partially understood in modern Physics. What we do know is no 'thing' can exist without space and no event can take place without time. God The Father Almighty created these by His Word, the same Word Who was made flesha nd dwelt among us (John 1).
In John's gospel we find that Jesus is The Word made flesh Who dwelt among us. So, inside the bubble Created by The Father Almighty, sustained by God The Holy Spirit, is the Word, God made flesh Who dwelt among us. The Creator does not stop being greater than His creation bubble, nor does His Spirit cease to sustain it all in balance, when Jesus comes in the flesh to dwell among us.
The trinitarian nature of God is shown in the Bible, even in the Tanakh. Trinity IS the nature of God as we have been given to know. Even in the Old Testament/Tanakh, we do have instruction on the Three nature of God as Creator, Sustainer, and Deliverer. God Is manifested as three yet one, seen identified by 'the work He is doing'.
With each manifestation, we are given to realize His presence simultaneously as Creator--because we exist in the realm He created, as Sustainer--because the balance is too delicate to stand alone without His sustaining the separation and interdependence, and as God with us in the person of Jesus our Lord and Savior.
By God's Spirit those who are Born Again are one with Christ. It takes the life of God to manifest the character of God in the human being. And yes, it can be imitated, as your religious cult shows graphically. But int he final cuttin', your own blasphemies prove God's Life is not in you else you could not blaspheme as you so readily, willingly, and arrogantly do. ...
And as you rile up and want to refute what I just wrote to your membership, remember that at the last Judgment, when those not members of Christ's Bride--The Church your founding sexual predator of married women claimed disappeared for 1700+ years--are standing for final judgment and eternal destiny, we read int he Bible there pleaded folks who claimed to done wonderous things in His name, casting out demons and healing, yet Jesus will say to them "Depart from Me, I never knew you." Jesus will refuse to recognize you in that day if you persist in blasphemy. Your blasphemies are far more damning than a beer or even practicing polygamy.
If you don't like the word 'triune', pick another that expresses the three functional evidences of The One God by the work He is doing ... if you can. There is only I AM, and He has no rival or superior, and He did not have to 'gain the attributes of godhood, as your blaspheming founder and subsequent leadership of the LDS have taught on the broad road rushing toward the wide gate.
Here are a couple of direct blasphemous quotes from your religious leadership. You owe it to your eternal destiny to study whether these blasphemies agree with what the Bible teaches:
God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)"In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. The word Eloheim ought to be in the plural all the way through--Gods. The heads of the Gods appointed ONE God for us... (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372)
“I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the Gods of heaven. '...Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.' If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)
Perhaps you would like to add to the material on the Triune nature of The One God. A few years ago you posted one of the most exhaustive essays I’ve ever read on the Bible passages which teach the three nature nature of The One God. I don’t know that the Mormons reading this thread would read it, but would you like to post that material again?
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
. That you can repeat the canned objections conjured up by the dead-soul leadership of Mormonism is not surprising. What is surprising is the way you proudly refuse to do the work to find out if these teachers are lying to you and dragging you along with them on their plummet into Hell! [MHG to webboy]
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It really isn’t surprising at all. The LDS are taught not to think, and it is easier to repeat the canned responses they hear in Sunday School and Sacrament meeting without checking them out such as:
“The trinity is unscriptural and created by a pagan emporor” (we see variations on this a lot by the LDS here).
“Anti’s hate Mormons and lie, and distort our beliefs”(no, we used their own words against them, no lying needed)
“The Bible has been corrputed by the traditions of men”
The members will CLAIM they researched or read about it themselves, but far more often than not they are just parroting.
How do I know? Because when I was LDS everyone did the same thing, including me. The difference is that I wanted to be an apologist and discovered that the ‘pat answers’ were easily refuted, which sent me out on a quest to get better answers and found out that the ‘pat answers’ are lies the leadership tells or ‘faith promoting statements’ that the membership repeats without thinking.
That they are not encouraged to think for themselves (and we see this here with their repetition rather than actual debate) goes a long way to show the high level of brainwashing that goes on in Mormonism.
Anyone who knows Church history knows Constantine was a Christian before Nicaea, and if they know the Bible they know that the Trinity is in there, even if the word is not used (btw,the LDS use the term ‘atonement’ which wasn’t coined until the 16th century yet they complain about the word ‘trinity’).
One of the hardest things when witnessing to the LDS is to get them to think for themselves rather than parrot the comfortable lies they are told. We even see this with Glenn Beck and that debacle regarding Nicaea and the Dead Sea Scrolls last year. He was merely repeating what he has been told at church without checking out the facts. It is very common in Mormonism, far more common than not.