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To: Hieronymus; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

I routinely have enough irons in the fire, such a project is not likely to get sufficiently high on the priority list to get done.

It’s all I can do to occasionally read a few more paragraphs of the thick Catechism.

I’m still working my way through Enoch the 2nd time and version.

If you or someone else does as you suggest, please ping me.

I’m aware of the lesser status of the vetting done at the level Ferraro’s book was done.

What RC’s seem unable or unwilling to admit is the wealth of VERY VIGOROUSLY SUPPORTED QUOTES from CENTURIES of RC-dom in that text.

The hierarchy AND the rank and file fall all over themselves trying to outdo one another in their pontifications and exclamations of asserting ever grander declarations about Mary’s purported glories, stature and powers.

Watching that just on FR 24/7/365 is plenty of gag material on the face of it.

There’s been very faint honorable, honest, candid response hereon regarding Ferraro’s displayed hideousness from centuries of Mary worship.

Most of it is some variation on kill the messenger or pretend it’s not really true because it’s not in the Catechism.

What nonsense.

We see it proven true just on FR plenty to cause projectile vomitting.


311 posted on 01/03/2011 8:05:41 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

It is true Mary has a very honored place in Catholic and Orthodox theology. This is because God chose her to be the vessel that Jesus, our Lord and Savior, would get his humanity thru, in order for Him to atone for sin on the cross, thereby rescuing mankind from the power of sin and death. You and others seem to enjoy putting out the false charge of Mary worship or are very ignorant of what the Church teaches.
If Mary was really due worship, woudln’t i be putting my soul in danger by not only not worshipping her, but saying publicly she should NOT be worshipped, she is a created being, just like you and me, worshipping her would be idolatry and sinful to the extrme!! In Catholic theology, worship is due God alone. IN CATHOLIC THEOLOGY, WORSHIP IS DUE GOD ALONE. One more time in cas you missed it, in Catholic theology, worship is due God alone!!!
In Catholic theology, God is ONE, Father , Son and Holy Spirit. No Mary in the Trinity. Now that you have been set straight, to continue with the lie, can only mean the truth isn’t in you.


319 posted on 01/03/2011 8:20:13 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Quix
I’m still working my way through Enoch the 2nd time and version.

Much better than reading heresy, IMO, for it all will be burnt up one day while HIS WORD lives forever.
329 posted on 01/03/2011 8:33:59 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Quix

Yes, various RCs seek to demonstrate who can wax most poetic about Mary. I may have seen this book before, and it may or may not be a decent devotional aid, but it is not a significant enough work to spend time on. It would be like me going to a random protestant Church, picking up a bulletin (assuming protestants have bulletins—maybe they are another invention of man or a rejected apostolic tradition:) and arguing with an insert as if all protestants held the position of the insert.

You state that the hierarchy falls all over itself—and that is true in a way—but the hierarchy falls all over itself while making sure that the statements are not merely poetry focusing on one or two things in isolation, but have proper qualification and a context in which things ought to be read. Leo XIII’s boatload of encyclicals is a perfect case. A quick count puts the total at 10, which is about eight or nine more than he wrote on any other topic. (Subjects are listed next to the title at the link below).
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/index.htm

Given the extensive time you seem to have devoted to the subject, I would think that you ought to be a bit better informed and go to primary sources. If a Pope has said that we ought to give Mary the same honour that we give God the Father, I’m interested in knowing. I’ve read many RC works, and haven’t come across such a statement—but I focus mainly on works by Popes and saints.

BTW—why are you reading Enoch? It is on my own to do list, but not on the level that it is likely to get done.


330 posted on 01/03/2011 8:33:59 PM PST by Hieronymus (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton)
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