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To: Quix

Yes, various RCs seek to demonstrate who can wax most poetic about Mary. I may have seen this book before, and it may or may not be a decent devotional aid, but it is not a significant enough work to spend time on. It would be like me going to a random protestant Church, picking up a bulletin (assuming protestants have bulletins—maybe they are another invention of man or a rejected apostolic tradition:) and arguing with an insert as if all protestants held the position of the insert.

You state that the hierarchy falls all over itself—and that is true in a way—but the hierarchy falls all over itself while making sure that the statements are not merely poetry focusing on one or two things in isolation, but have proper qualification and a context in which things ought to be read. Leo XIII’s boatload of encyclicals is a perfect case. A quick count puts the total at 10, which is about eight or nine more than he wrote on any other topic. (Subjects are listed next to the title at the link below).
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/index.htm

Given the extensive time you seem to have devoted to the subject, I would think that you ought to be a bit better informed and go to primary sources. If a Pope has said that we ought to give Mary the same honour that we give God the Father, I’m interested in knowing. I’ve read many RC works, and haven’t come across such a statement—but I focus mainly on works by Popes and saints.

BTW—why are you reading Enoch? It is on my own to do list, but not on the level that it is likely to get done.


330 posted on 01/03/2011 8:33:59 PM PST by Hieronymus (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Hieronymus; Quix
If a Pope has said that we ought to give Mary the same honour that we give God the Father, I’m interested in knowing. I’ve read many RC works, and haven’t come across such a statement—but I focus mainly on works by Popes and saints.

"By awarding the Virgin a central place in the cathedral's narrative, the archdiocese is keeping faith with a long, if fluctuating, Catholic and Orthodox tradition of devotion to Our Lady, a tradition enjoying a resurgence under Pope John Paul II. (The pope's personal motto, "Totus tuus sum, Maria," or "I am all yours, Mary," reflects his belief that the Virgin intervened to save his life from an assassin's bullet in 1981 so that he could help defeat European communism.)" -LATIMES.com Sept 1, 2002 By REED JOHNSON,

And Christians say, "I am all Yours, Jesus".
340 posted on 01/03/2011 9:11:48 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Hieronymus; MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; roamer_1; 1000 silverlings; SonOfDarkSkies; mitch5501

THANKS.

I’ve put a shortcut on my desktop to your link.

Enoch—a half dozen of us have committed to dialoguing about it when I can get finished and start the thread.

To date, my records indicate that:

MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; Roamer_1; 1000 Silverlings; Son of Dark Skies; Mitch5501;

have shown such interest and commitment.

I thought I was much further into my 2nd version but I’m making slow yet steady progress.

Some of us recognize that ENOCH has a LOT to say about the END TIMES and even about the fallen angels/ET’s that have plagued the world and are increasingly demonstrating that they are connected to the globalist oligarchy toward setting up the Biblically prophesied END TIMES satanic global government.

So, I thought it would be good to get some thoughtful perceptive, Biblically knowledgeable Believers together to sift and sort through it and see what insights we could come up with that might shed more light on the times looming on the near horizon.

I’m not sure what all other folks have as their motivations for reading it.

The higher quality translation I’m reading now is Alamo-Girl’s understandable favorite and is so exhaustive in it’s footnoting etc. that it is somewhat slow going.


349 posted on 01/03/2011 9:43:21 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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