Posted on 01/03/2011 10:40:41 AM PST by RnMomof7
On January 3, 1521, Pope Leo X issues the papal bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, which excommunicates Martin Luther from the Catholic Church.
Martin Luther, the chief catalyst of Protestantism, was a professor of biblical interpretation at the University of Wittenberg in Germany when he drew up his 95 theses condemning the Catholic Church for its corrupt practice of selling indulgences, or the forgiveness of sins. He followed up the revolutionary work with equally controversial and groundbreaking theological works, and his fiery words set off religious reformers all across Europe.
In January 1521, Pope Leo X excommunicated Luther. Three months later, Luther was called to defend his beliefs before Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Worms, where he was famously defiant. For his refusal to recant his writings, the emperor declared him an outlaw and a heretic. Luther was protected by powerful German princes, however, and by his death in 1546, the course of Western civilization had been significantly altered.
The majority of Hitler’s coterie were practicing Roman Catholics.
Heck, I know a lot of Jews who hate their parents and the Church had absolutely nothing to do with it. And for the record, when Jews or anyone else convert to Christianity it isn't a bad thing.
Actually, Grace is a root cause of faith (unless pelagius was right) and scripture—
but the fact that we can at least agree that there is a complex relationship suffices to show that the word “alone” needs to be tossed.
It is point blank absolutely not true that “forced conversions were long part of the Roman Catholic Church”.
Forced conversions happened in Catholic countries and were performed by leaders who were Catholic. But they were never condoned or encouraged by the Church itself. Read these excerpts from papal documents around 1200:
You’ll notice a) they are not exactly politically correct when it comes to Jews, and b) yet STILL they forbade Jews from being brought to Baptism by violence or intimidation.
The problem came about when some dingbat Catholics decided to forcibly Baptize Jews anyway. At that point, you have a Jew who didn’t want to be a Catholic but is one—and because of Catholic theology on the irrevocability of Baptism—is in a very tight spot vis a vis the laws on heresy and apostasy. Bad, bad scene all around.
But NONE of that could have or would have happened if the Church’s prohibition on forced Baptisms were followed by those dingbats in the first place.
I married into a Jewish family, so I’m just a tad touchy about all this.
Martin Luther is to the RCC as Sarah Palin is to the liberal/elitist Establishment.
Pope’s of that time were more powerful than Kings. The Kings always did what Rome said, so long as they had the Pope’s blessing they remained in power. Go against the Pope and you were asking for trouble. I guess that Luther apparently had enough of that, he saw corruption and exposed it. Many of the Popes should have never been made a Pope to begin with. Extortion comes to mind. If Palin is our ML, then she has my vote for sure. (She has my vote so far.)
So proclaims what's up of the Holy See of FreeRepublic...
Don't just tell me I'm wrong... prove it. Let us all know which of the 25,000+ denominations of Protestant faith is the true Church of Scripture...
Excommunication is an act precipitated by ones own choices and actions. It does not require formal Church acknowledgment and recognition. Hitler was, by his own actions, not in Communion with the Church; excommunicated.
If one could separate the Father from the Son, and both from the Holy Spirit, then one would know which ‘alone’ to rely upon.
Yes, sorry, Henry VIII. And your assessment of him pretty much coincides with mine: Protestant, Catholic, whatever as long as he could get what he wanted.
It isn't her hat she pulls this stuff out of......
And it’s annoying to imply that saying the leaders of the catholic church of the 1500s or even of the 1940s, were dead wrong about something, is disrespectful to the catholic church of today. I respect the current leadership, on back to JP II. But I have nothing but contempt for those medieval tyrants.
If we toss out Scripture alone, then what is the Church’s doctrine based on?
Pope’s of that time were more powerful than Kings.
Gregory VII died in exile in 1173, and Philip the Fair ran all over the Pope at the beginning of the 14th century. Could you come up with three instances before 1173 or after 1300 that would prove your point?
In 1633 Galileo was convicted by the Catholic Church of heresy for following Copernicus’ theories instead of following Aristotle. Again, this is all documented historic fact that the modern day Roman Catholic Church no longer disputes.
That you two clowns are ignorant of Pope John Paul 2 and his speech at the Roman Observatory of November 4, 1992 speaks much more to your ignorance than to mine.
Or do you say that the Pope was wrong when he said:
“Thanks to his intuition as a brilliant physicist and by relying on different arguments, Galileo, who practically invented the experimental method, understood why only the sun could function as the centre of the world, as it was then known, that is to say, as a planetary system. The error of the theologians of the time, when they maintained the centrality of the Earth, was to think that our understanding of the physical world’s structure was, in some way, imposed by the literal sense of Sacred Scripture.”
Yeah, but you two keep on circling the wagons. It’s fun to watch.
“But Luther was a great friend of the Jews right? Just read Martin Luther’s works to see how they influenced Hitler and made life so pleasant for the Jews.”
I am certainly not defending Luther, either.
His “Of Jews and their Lies” comes to mind.
I think you know it's not just me saying it.
The true Church is not a denomination. The true Church is the body of believers which trusts in Christ's righteousness for salvation.
Nice try, but still no dice.
Was he, or was he not formally excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church? Luther was, was he not?
Hoss
Sorry, to make a false distinction between political leaders and the church that gave them legitimacy is pathetic.
Your church has recognized the errors of its actions, even if you have not.
ok,, i accept that Hitlers actions may have instantly excommunicated him. But if that is the case,, why are others excommunicated more explicitly and publicly? What would they have lost by doing it publicly? What would have been so wrong to expect the alleged representative of God on earth to clearly state that all Nazis and communists are officially excommunicated? Has it ever been done?
Seems like a small thing to ask of someone who claims to bear the legacy of Peter.
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