Posted on 01/03/2011 10:40:41 AM PST by RnMomof7
On January 3, 1521, Pope Leo X issues the papal bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, which excommunicates Martin Luther from the Catholic Church.
Martin Luther, the chief catalyst of Protestantism, was a professor of biblical interpretation at the University of Wittenberg in Germany when he drew up his 95 theses condemning the Catholic Church for its corrupt practice of selling indulgences, or the forgiveness of sins. He followed up the revolutionary work with equally controversial and groundbreaking theological works, and his fiery words set off religious reformers all across Europe.
In January 1521, Pope Leo X excommunicated Luther. Three months later, Luther was called to defend his beliefs before Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Worms, where he was famously defiant. For his refusal to recant his writings, the emperor declared him an outlaw and a heretic. Luther was protected by powerful German princes, however, and by his death in 1546, the course of Western civilization had been significantly altered.
INDEED.
Perhaps dates would be nice with the photos. By April of 1937 the Church had body slammed the Nazis in a way that no other large group did before facing war.
These links have already appeared on this thread, but given its length, they are worth re-posting.
The first link gives some of the background, though some of my posts on this thread give more, and the second gives the actual encyclical—practically the only encyclical not to be written in latin for the official version—which the Pope managed, via covert action, to have read at every single Mass in every single Catholic Church in Germany on Passion Sunday in 1937.
http://www.zenit.org/article-19328?l=english
INDEED.
Or a Gordian knot!
Your statement that Pope Pius XII was a friend of Hitler was an absolute, bald faced lie. Further the treaty was not an agreement between Moussolini and the Pope, it was an agreement between two governments. It was signed for King Victor Emmanuel III of Italy by Benito Mussolini, then Prime Minister of Italy and for Pope Pius XI by Pietro Gasparri, Cardinal Secretary of State. It was not a favor by Moussolini and the Pope was in no way beholden.
Your contention that my position and the Catholic position on the permanency of that baptism is somehow provisional is also a lie. A baptism cannot be undone, and the heresy that once saved always saved does not apply. Many, including Hitler have willingly forfeited their Salvation following Baptism.
Was Jesus refuting Apostolic Tradition or the tradition of the Pharisees? Are you saying Jesus is calling St. Paul a false teacher for writing 2 Thessalonians 2:15.
Talking about pretzels and twisting Scriptures!!
Not at all.
Presently No Screen Name is one of the fiercest proponents of and supporters of
THE TRUTH; GOD’S TRUTH; REALITY
that there is on FR.
Probably more so than the next 20 RC runners up, put together.
metmom:
You are talking about 2 people 500 years apart. Luther was a Catholic Priest and hence his issues were theological.
Hitler was indeed a baptized Catholic and Baptism in Catholic theology does leave an inalienable mark and thus once baptized always baptized, i.e. baptism can’t be undone, so even if Hitler feel into heresy and apostasy, that would not undue his baptism, and that would apply to any and everyone who was baptized.
The issue here is why was Hitler not formally excommunicated. That type of excommunication is done towards Bishops and theologians. See my earlier post, there is a 2nd type of excommunication latea sententia of which according to 1983 Canon law, there are 7 general offenses [there were 30 in the 1917 code] which one is automatically excommunicated or what is by the mere act committed, one excommunicates oneself.
Hitler by the fact that he publicly claimed Christ was the illegitimate child of Mary fathered by a Roman Soldier is a blasphemy of the highest order and thus heresy and apostasy. Anyone who believes this has excommunicated themself and committed what is an unforgiveable sin since this is a can be legitimately interpreted to be a sin against the Holy Spirit.
Someone can leave the Catholic CHurch formally yes. What you can’t do is undue your baptism.
So now you want us to believe that a man who would feed eight million into ovens wouldn't lie about his religious affiliations or beliefs? Hitler may have some level of credibility with you, but not any sane or honest Christian. It sounds like you have been drinking the Geneva kool-aid.
The Orthodox are Schismatics, but are part of the Catholic Church since they have Apostolic Succession and valid Sacraments.
Would todays Orthodox and Oriental churchs be under this decree of Boniface?
Boniface VII
"we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."
Can they gain salvation without being subject to the Pope?
Are you denying that Pope Pius X signed the the Lateran Treaty with Mussolini that gave him and his sucessors 110 acres of Vatican City, without which Pius XII would have no sovereign authority?
Is that a lie?
Natural Law:
Hitler’s true religion in his adult life was never known. He was baptized Catholic yes, but after his teens years, he is never known to have participated in any Catholic sacrament the rest of his life. While he publicy, for political purposes at times would use the faith of his Childhood, as Bavaria was ready to secede from Germany after WWI, he demanded SS men leave the Church, weddings and baptism were pagan rituals to German-Nordic Gods.
He banned Crucifixes and and battled the Church over their rights to run CHurch affairs. His eugenics program was clearly heretical. ANd his views that CHrist was really some Nordic warior and son of a german-Roman guard are heretical.
I’ll assume that was a sincere question. OK, here are just a few:
infant baptism
baptismal regeneration
transubstantiation
which books are canonical
sacrifice of the mass
prayer to saints
how do we know these are Apostolic? because the Apostles and other disciples of Christ after the Lord’s Assencion into heaven, went all through the known world preaching the Gospel for a period of around 60 years. After they fell asleep, they appointed faithful men to continue the work of the Church. The Apostolic teaching was well established and when various Bishops travelled to other areas of the Roman Empire, they compared teachings and letters from the Apostles and soon discovered there was a common universal ( Catholic ) Faith they had received. This was soon referred to as the Catholic Faith, due to whether the Chuch was taught by Paul, or Pter, or James, or Andrew, they all received the same teaching. This is due to the same Holy Spirit moving them. This is how the canonical books of the NT were chosen, they had to match the Catholic Faith, or else the books weren’t accepted. There was no Church in the pre Reformation period that didn’t teach the doctrines i listed above. That’s how you know they came from the Apostles. Think and pray about it. I believe there are some people on these threads that are not haters, but are sincerely searching for what is true.
bkaycee:
Yes, they can. THey have the fullness of the 7 sacraments and thus in essence are in reality Fully-Catholic without quite being fully-Catholic as they are not in communion with the Bishop of ROme. Of course, they say the same thing about us.
All salvation is from and thru Christ thrue his body the Church, where the fullness of God’s Grace is present. The Orthodox have the 7 Holy Mysteries/Sacraments.
i guess you just showed your level of knowledge as well with that statement!
yes
couldn’t have said it better myself!!
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