Posted on 01/03/2011 10:40:41 AM PST by RnMomof7
You can’t be excommunicated if you’re not part of the Church. That’s not evasion — it’s just fact.
Your question will be answered better when you get to post 112. Let me know if you have any more questions on the matter after that.
May God's Holy Spirit enlighten us and give us Wisdom to understand that no one who professes the name of His Son is an enemy of another. Good night.
Please link to the 1992 statement and quote the sentence “not guilty of heresy” and the one with the word “forgive.” Yes, this is the NYT nuance of the thing, but it is not what actually was stated. Galileo was a lousy theologian, and a spotty philosopher, but an insightful natural scientist. Now that everyone has forgotten about his theology and philosophy, we will clap for the scientist.
I can easily show you the Trinity in Scripture... the word "Trinity" was simply given to us to describe the relationship. For that matter, can you find the word "Bible" in the Bible? That could be a problem for the "Bible Alone" crowd...
Wow, your straw man sola scriptura is really putting out some heat!
Could you give us the accurate definition of Sola Scriptura is?
The Nazi Party was voted into office by the German people. There was a vote, and the voting records are there for anyone to investigate. A map of the areas that voted Nazi, when compared with the areas that were predominately Protestant shows an exact match. Whereas, the areas where the Nazis were rejected by the voters, shows an exact match with the maps of the Catholic regions. Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, in his book “Liberty or Equality’ has the maps in pages 225 -227. I think it can be found online.
Except that other denominations don't claim, *Once a baptized ______, always a baptized ______* like the Catholic church does.
It's not pointless to formally and officially distance yourself from a person of Hitler's character. It shows that the people doing so, or church in that case, are aware of what is going on and formally and officially denounce what is going on and accept no responsibility for it.
It changes nothing as far as the broken relationship in a practical matter, but it does make a statement and that would prevent the types of accusations that the RCC is now facing concerning Hitler.
It's really no different that people complaining that muslims aren't denouncing jihadists, therefore they aren't really condemning them. If someone says they're a moderate muslim who doesn't support terrorism or acts like 9/11, they'd better outspokenly condemn it or nobody is going to believe it.
Lack of outspoken condemnation can be rightfully interpreted as commendation and support.
I am not sure where you are getting your information. The European kings from 500 to the 1900s were in power through a complicated mix of factors that had nothing at all to do with the Divine Right of Kings, which came to the fore with a few absolutist monarchs of the 1600s, most of whom were Anglican. Don’t forget the Roman Church was pretty well ensconced with the Roman Empire until all of a sudden these barbarians come in and appoint themselves kings, dukes, etc. The Church was not terribly successful in shaping the political situation.
Actually, I do buy the whole enchilada. And part of the whole enchilada, as I’m trying to demonstrate here, is that forced Baptism is immoral and sinful.
Actually, it was James who made the final decision in Acts 15. I think Peter was still stinging from Paul’s correction at the time.
Maybe I am too subtle. Taking God out of the ciborium (the vessel in which Jesus is kept after he has become present on the altar),sticking him on my tongue, and letting go, involves removing which is the opposite of interposing. Far from getting in the way, no where else outside of the Church can I have God literally crammed down my throat.
I will be back tomorrow (maybe tonight... but home time is much more difficult to plan).
Something like 300,000 words,, never mentions the words Hitler, NSDAP, Jew, or excommunication. Need an attorney to wade through that. And if that was the official guidance,,, we wouldnt find war criminals running tothe casual for false papers after the war would we?
Read it again. There was much debate and discussion until Peter spoke. The weight of his words quieted the debate and then they listened to testimony from the field. The final words were said by St James as he was the host bishop for the council. It is still done this way in the Church.
I wouldn't look down your nose at those trusting in Christ's righteousness for salvation as a "gaggle". These saints are much more precious, obviously, to God than to you.
Can you think of any modern institutions which qualify?
Why would I care to spend time thinking about what meet your qualifications when you are a person who defines believers as a "gaggle"?
In a way... but no. The Body of Christ is all of us joined in Holy Matrimony through His Bride, the Church. However, you have a fundamental error in your understanding of the Church. It is more than a gaggle of believers... it is believers adhering to common doctrines with the authority to protect these. This is where the Protestant churches have shown the folly of schism. Here are some elements of the Church of Scripture...
1. The Church must have its historical origins in Christ.
2. The Church must have authority.
3. The Church must have autonomy from temporal powers.
4. The Church must have a sacrifice to offer.
5. The Church must have an altar on which to offer the sacrifice.
6. The Church must have a priesthood to offer the sacrifice.
Can you think of any modern institutions which qualify?
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On what basis do you insist that a church must have those qualities to be the *true* church?
Do you have Scriptural support for that?
Or is this simply ANOTHER case of the Catholic church deciding what defines a church and then says, *Oh look! Guess who’s the only one to qualify for our definition of church?*
how convenience......
Lack of outspoken condemnation can be rightfully interpreted as commendation and support.
Less than ten posts read, and I know that I do not belong here.
that is,, running to the vatican. Droid had a mind of its own there
“And part of the whole enchilada, as I’m trying to demonstrate here, is that forced Baptism is immoral and sinful.”
Tell that the kidnapped Edgardo Mortara and his adoptive “father” Pope Pius IX.
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