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To: Syncro; restornu; Cronos; Sontagged; Tennessee Nana; TaraP; MHGinTN; DelphiUser; Colofornian
Thank you so very much for your insights and encouragements, dear brother in Christ! And thank you for linking back to my original post on this thread.

In reply to my post, restornu asked for proof of my claim that LDS doctrine teaches that God the Father had a Father who had a Father, etc.

These topics are referenced in LDS Scriptures on ...

Premortal Existence

Council in Heaven

... and explained further in Joseph Smith’s sermon on the plurality of “gods:”

I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have selected this text for that express purpose. I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years…

If Abraham reasoned thus—If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it.

I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before. He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. He did as He was sent, to lay down His life and take it up again; and then was committed unto Him the keys, &c. I know it is good reasoning…

The teaching is referenced again here in this LDS article:

People on Other Worlds

How Long Has This Been Going On?

This insight of the gospel into the subject of outer space is what makes the whole subject meaningful. When you look up into the heavens at night and see the countless numbers of stars, it is easy to imagine other people “out there” being tested and tried and experiencing struggles and joys somewhat similar to those we are going through. But the most exciting thing about this whole basic and fundamental concept is that it is true. Totally and completely true. People growing, developing, and finding fulfillment—out there!

The Prophet Joseph Smith taught: “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man. … he was once a man like us … God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth. …” 6

“If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and … God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. … And where was there ever a father without first being a son? … If Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? …

“He [Jesus] laid down His life, and took it up, the same as His Father had done before.” 7

Long before our God began his creations, he dwelt on a mortal world like ours, one of the creations that his Father had created for him and his brethren. He, with many of his brethren, was obedient to the principles of the eternal gospel. One among these, it is presumed, was a savior for them, and through him they obtained a resurrection and an exaltation on an eternal, celestial world. 8 Then they gained the power and godhood of their Father and were made heirs of all that he had, continuing his works and creating worlds of their own for their own posterity—the same as their Father had done before, and his Father, and his Father, and on and on…

The doctrine was also mentioned in an exchange between DelphiUser and Colofornian on another thread which I engaged for the same reason I did here. Namely, in my view, the doctrine that God is "a" God and not "the" God is the “poison pill” which prevents peace between Christians (Catholic, Protestant, etc.) and Mormons.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:7-8

God's Name is I AM.

472 posted on 01/03/2011 8:49:44 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Well done.


476 posted on 01/03/2011 8:52:38 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thank you, Alamo-girl, for your insightful posts as always.


496 posted on 01/03/2011 9:17:56 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Alamo-Girl
Thank you for the ping. You've presented this issue more fully than I tried to do with Resty. From her flippant response it would appear she will not read the material when posted for her. But thank you for expanding the material to such clarity.
521 posted on 01/03/2011 9:44:12 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Paragon Defender

So, you too have learnt of the falseness of Mormon doctrine from Paragon Defender’s links?! PD does a great job of educating people about the laugh-out-loud falseness in Mormon doctrine and history


590 posted on 01/03/2011 10:40:09 AM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Alamo Girl, first let me say that I have tremendous respect for you as a political activist. I have watched you over the years and want to thank you for the countless hours you have spent compiling information for others to use in fighting for conservatism.

The doctrine was also mentioned in an exchange between DelphiUser and Colofornian on another thread which I engaged for the same reason I did here. Namely, in my view, the doctrine that God is "a" God and not "the" God is the “poison pill” which prevents peace between Christians (Catholic, Protestant, etc.) and Mormons.

I stand by my example on the other thread, God's "dad" is irrelevant to our salvation, is not mentioned in Mormons theology as anything more than a logical construct. The only reason we mention it at all is that we believe that we can be deified with Christ and Become gods. Now before anyone gets excited, the analogy is this:

You have a Dad, You have a child.

Your child doesn't like the bed time you have set, so he calls your dad to try to change bedtime.

Unless you have no spine, your child calling Grandpa will not change Bedtime. For the record, God has a spine, so no changing the rules by calling up the chain (if there even is one)

Authority comes from creation:
God created us, he has the power of every creator over his creation, he is our God, we belong to him. He needs to ask no one permission for what he does to / with us. there is no higher authority than God.

Mormons sometimes theorize on things from the eternities, Adam's relationship with God, existence outside of time, etc.

None of the theories is "required" belief by Mormons even though Apostles and Prophets of the church have proposed theories.

We have one God. We worship the God of Abraham and of Issac and of Jacob.

We do not accept the Trinity which we believe is a point of apostasy that was prophesied in the Bible. This is a big contention point with many protestants and Catholics, some of whom claim that acceptance of the Dogma of the Trinity is required to be a Christian.

We do believe in being saved by Grace, we also believe in works to both show our faith, and increase our faith.

You can separate yourselves form us all you want, what you cannot do is separate us from God. God decides who is his, it's not a popularity contest. The belief system with the most followers does not "win". People with the "winning belief system" are not all automatically saved. Salvation is an individual thing because God will judge us by our heart, by our faith and yes, by our works, the Bible says so.

Alamo Girl, Go with God, I know you don't agree with my theology, gut my prayer of well wishing and blessing is sincere just the same.

Delph
784 posted on 01/03/2011 12:43:02 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Alamo-Girl

Very succinct and well put, dear Sister...as usual. Thank you.


831 posted on 01/03/2011 1:17:29 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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