Posted on 12/31/2010 9:42:57 AM PST by Colofornian
Whoops! Did not realize this was in the religion forum, my mistake!
Could you name a single nationally known Mormon politician who is politically conservative?
Why do conservative Mormons support Romney, in spite of his liberal politics?
Does my tagline have a connection between religion and politics?
placemarker
Oh come on, Tadpole. That letter was never meant to be taken seriously and I admitted it was fake as soon as I saw someone take it seriously.
It was supposed to be written over the top so people would know it was a joke. That was not a ‘lie’ or an attempt to seriously deceive. It was a PARODY. OY.
However, that people did take it seriously, says more about the control Mormonism shows over its members than it does about us.
Re - your other comments - none of those are lies either. You seem to be holding us to a standard that Mormons don’t hold each other or their leaders to.
And your implication that I ‘lie for Jesus’ is libel. I have NEVER EVER EVER lied on this forum. Nor would I.
trying to imply that Mormons do not sing Christmas hymns.
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“Christmas hymns” ???
Christians call them “Christmas carols...
and just how would mormons go about singing O little town of BETHLEHEM...
When mormons claim that the LORD Jesus Christ was born...
in Jerusalem ???
Matthew 15:16
"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
Matthew 231. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2. "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5. "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
6. they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
7. they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
8. "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
9. And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10. Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you will be your servant.
12. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
14. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
16. "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
17. You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18. You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
19. You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20. Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21. And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22. And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
23. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
28. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
30. And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
31. So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
32. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
33. "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
34. Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
35. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
37. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
38. Look, your house is left to you desolate.
39. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
Mark 7:26-27
26. The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
27. "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
And St. Paul chimes in...
Galatians 5:12
As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><EM><FONT size=5>You might note a couple of other
tactics used to try to antagonize is <FONT color=#ff0000>the use of
disrespectful or insulting terms or language</FONT> and/or pictures. That's a
Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak
volumes about them though.<BR></FONT></EM></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman"></FONT></EM>
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<DIV class=b2>
<P><EM><FONT size=5 face="Times New Roman"></FONT></EM>
<P><EM><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=5
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></STRONG></EM></P><EM><FONT size=5
face="Times New Roman">
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<DIV><FONT size=5 face="Times New Roman"><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr>
<DIV>Matthew 15:16<BR> <FONT color=#ff0000>"Are you still so
dull?"</FONT> Jesus asked them. </DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Matthew 23</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> 1. Then Jesus said to the crowds and
to his disciples: <BR> 2. "The teachers of the law and the
Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. <BR> 3. So you must obey them and do
everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice
what they preach. <BR> 4. They tie up heavy loads and put them on
men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move
them. <BR> 5. "Everything they do is done for men to see: They
make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
<BR> 6. they love the place of honor at banquets and the most
important seats in the synagogues; <BR> 7. they love to be greeted
in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.' <BR> 8.
"But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you
are all brothers. <BR> 9. And do not call anyone on earth
`father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. <BR> 10.
Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
<BR> 11. The greatest among you will be your servant.
<BR> 12. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever
humbles himself will be exalted. <BR> 13. "Woe to you, teachers of
the law and Pharisees, <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>you
hypocrites!</FONT></STRONG> You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You
yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying
to. <BR><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2> 14. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, <STRONG><FONT
color=#ff0000>hypocrites!</FONT></STRONG> for ye devour widows' houses, and
for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater
damnation. <BR></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2> 15. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees,
<STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>you hypocrites!</FONT></STRONG> You travel over
land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, <FONT
color=#ff0000>you make him twice as much a son of hell as you
are.</FONT></FONT></FONT> </FONT><BR> 16. "Woe to you,
<STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>blind guides!</FONT></STRONG> You say, `If anyone
swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of
the temple, he is bound by his oath.' <BR> 17<FONT
color=#ff0000><STRONG>. You blind fools!</STRONG></FONT> Which is
greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
<BR> 18. You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means
nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
<BR> 19. <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>You blind men!</FONT></STRONG>
Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
<BR> 20. Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by
everything on it. <BR> 21. And he who swears by the temple swears
by it and by the one who dwells in it. <BR> 22. And he who swears
by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
<BR> 23. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees,
<STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>you hypocrites!</FONT></STRONG> You give a tenth
of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more
important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have
practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. <BR> 24.
<STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>You blind guides!</FONT></STRONG> You strain out a
gnat but swallow a camel. <BR> 25. "Woe to you, teachers of the law
and Pharisees, <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>you hypocrites!</FONT></STRONG> You
clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and
self-indulgence. <BR> 26. <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>Blind
Pharisee!</FONT></STRONG> First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then
the outside also will be clean. <BR> 27. "Woe to you, teachers of
the law and Pharisees, <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>you
hypocrites!</FONT></STRONG> You are like whitewashed tombs, which look
beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and
everything unclean. <BR> 28. In the same way, on the outside you
appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and
wickedness. <BR> 29. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and
Pharisees, <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>you hypocrites!</FONT></STRONG> You
build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
<BR> 30. And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our
forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of
the prophets.' <BR> 31. So you testify against yourselves that you
are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. <BR> 32.
Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers! <BR> 33.
"<STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>You snakes! You brood of vipers!</FONT></STRONG>
How will you escape being condemned to hell? <BR> 34. Therefore I
am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill
and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to
town. <BR> 35. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood
that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of
Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
<BR> 36. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this
generation. <BR> 37. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the
prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your
children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were
not willing. <BR> 38. Look, your house is left to you desolate.
<BR> 39. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say,
`Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' " </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>Mark 7:26-27<BR> 26. The woman was a Greek, born in
Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
<BR> 27.<FONT color=#ff0000> "First let the children eat all they
want," <FONT color=#000000>he told her,</FONT> "for it is not right to take
the children's bread and toss it to <STRONG>their dogs."</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<HR>
<FONT size=2 face=Arial>And St. Paul chimes in...
<HR>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Galatians 5:12<BR> As for those agitators, <FONT
color=#ff0000>I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
</FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
I am pleased to offer my services for the Betterment of Mankind.
Please feel free to ask me ANYTHING and I'll sincerely post my link list again.
Remember...
I am normal too; and I am a MORMON!
Sincerely,
PD
Hey!
What about widdle ol’ ME!?
Oh?? Could YOU please provide your sources for these claims.
If I don't - I know a method for finding out:
Merely ASK GOD - no need to STUDY anything!!
(If you're truly WORTHY; that is...)
In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet, for our salvation depends on them.
1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say Thus Saith the Lord, to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by mens reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidencythe highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidencythe living prophet and the First Presidencyfollow them and be blessedreject them and suffer.
I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captainhow close do our lives harmonize with the Lords anointedthe living ProphetPresident of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.
Ezra Taft Benson
(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)
Oh!
Like THIS then...
"Mother; I have learned that PRESBYTERIANism is UNTRUE."
SPAM!!! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I was going to make a resolution to not post lies on FR; but then realized most of my Official MORMON Sources would become useless.
Study well, Minions; for this was the first HTML lesson of 2011...
Because if a church leader is speaking for the lord (ie. scripture) he will say so. Anything else is mere opinion.
Oh!
Like THIS then...
“Mother; I have learned that PRESBYTERIANism is UNTRUE.”
****
So to you Joseph conversation with the Lord is the Lord’s opinion!
You will noticed that when facts and common sense are presented they will again slide the ruler in order to deflect from dealing with the issue seeking another canard!
It is also sad when you think of one as a leader only to reveal themselve as nothing but a borer & bully!
Like THIS then...
“Mother; I have learned that PRESBYTERIANism is UNTRUE.”
***
Now you have it Joseph has learn it from the Lord!
Which as one sees today how temporal churches have been and continue to be taken over at the whims of men which will never never happen with Lord’s only true Church!
That you can count on for it is NOT one of the churches of the world which all will fall way...
With that said there are many good and godly folks in those churches which will soon see the true light
But that isn’t you lying, that is the Morg leadership lying.
Could you name a single nationally known Mormon politician who is politically conservative?
Why do conservative Mormons support Romney, in spite of his liberal politics?
Does my tagline have a connection between religion and politics?
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