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To: Deo volente
The Catholic church is explicit that Mary’s role is as helper

No one said the CC isn't. However, it is heresy as it opposes God's Word. That's the part Catholics refuse to 'get' even though it is simple to grasp.
768 posted on 12/18/2010 10:18:25 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

” However, it is heresy as it opposes God’s Word. “

Nope, only in your’s and a tiny fringe groups opinion. To the vast majority of Christendom it is in conformity with God’s Word.


776 posted on 12/18/2010 10:29:07 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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The great early Church Father Irenaeus didn't think it was heresy to call Mary an advocate or helper. Is your personal opinion greater than his? Was he wrong? Most Christian churches consider him authoritative.

http://www.catholic.org/clife/advent/story.php?id=31036

“The Lord, coming into his own creation in visible form, was sustained by his own creation which he himself sustains in being. His obedience on the tree of the cross reversed the disobedience at the tree in Eden; the good news of the truth announced by an angel to Mary, a virgin subject to a husband, undid the evil lie that seduced Eve, a virgin espoused to a husband.

As Eve was seduced by the word of an angel and so fled from God after disobeying his word, Mary in her turn was given the good news by the word of an angel, and bore God in obedience to his word. As Eve was seduced into disobedience to God, so Mary was persuaded into obedience to God; thus the Virgin Mary became the advocate of the virgin Eve.”

806 posted on 12/18/2010 11:20:51 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: presently no screen name; Quix

** it is heresy as it opposes God’s Word.**

No it isn’t — in Luke’s Gospel —

“I am the handmaid of the Lord. Be it done unto me according to Your Word.”

Now why do you believe that God created the world with only a word? Yet don’t believe that the Son of God became incarnate in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary at God’s Word spoken through the Angel, Gabriel?

Selective belief?

BTW, I knew what was meant by “boundaries” — He should have used the word “guidelines” instead. LOL!


869 posted on 12/19/2010 8:40:46 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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