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To: CynicalBear
The Catholic Church as you understand it did NOT write the Scriptures. Lets look at who really did write the books of the Bible.

I know, as well as you do, that the Catholic church did not author the scriptures. While there may have been written copies of the old testament at the time the church was founded....there were certainly no published copies of what is now known as the new testament. The early church compiled these various writings, catalogued they, copied them (by hand) bound them, protected them, brought them before ecumenical councils, verified thier authenticity, and passed them on to you as the new and everlasting testament thet Christ had promised. Of course the various letters were written by thier stated authors, but Paul, James, Thomas, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John et. al. were not publishing companies. They submitted their writings to their leaders (Catholic Church) wwhich recorded them aand saved them for posterity (you) say thanks to the Catholics, if it were left up to the protestants, nothing would have been recorded for 1,500 years and you would know nothing about it.......THERE WERE NO OTHER CHRISTIANS AROUND in early church history.....the Catholic were the only ones and no one can refute that.

644 posted on 12/18/2010 7:52:08 PM PST by terycarl (4)
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To: terycarl

>>THERE WERE NO OTHER CHRISTIANS AROUND in early church history.....the Catholic were the only ones and no one can refute that.<<

Whether a church is the “true church” or not is determined by comparing its teachings and practices to that of the New Testament church, as recorded in Scripture.

For instance, in Acts 20:17-38, the Apostle Paul has an opportunity to talk to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus one last time face to face. In that passage, he tells them that false teachers will not only come among them but will come FROM them (vv. 29-30). Paul does not set forth the teaching that they were to follow the “first” organized church as a safeguard for the truth. Rather, he commits them to the safekeeping of “God and to the word of His grace” (v. 32). Thus, truth could be determined by depending upon God and “the word of His grace” (i.e., Scripture, see John 10:35).

This dependence upon the Word of God, rather than following certain individual “founders” is seen again in Galatians 1:8-9, in which Paul states, “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.” Thus, the basis for determining truth from error is not based upon even WHO it is that is teaching it, “we or an angel from heaven,” but whether it is the same gospel that they had already received – and this gospel is recorded in Scripture.

How do we determine whether a church is teaching correct doctrine or not? The only infallible standard that Scripture says that we have is the Bible (Isaiah 8:20; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Matthew 5:18; John 10:35; Isaiah 40:8; 1 Peter 2:25; Galatians 1:6-9). Tradition is a part of every church, and that tradition must be compared to God’s Word, lest it go against what is true (Mark 7:1-13). It is true that the cults and sometimes orthodox churches twist the interpretation of Scripture to support their practices; nonetheless, Scripture, when taken in context and faithfully studied, is able to guide one to the truth.

The “first church” is the church that is recorded in the New Testament, especially in the Book of Acts and the Epistles of Paul. The New Testament church is the “original church” and the “one true church.” We can know this because it is described, in great detail, in Scripture. The church, as recorded in the New Testament, is God’s pattern and foundation for His church. On this basis, let’s examine the Roman Catholic claim that it is the “first church.” Nowhere in the New Testament will you find the “one true church” doing any of the following: praying to Mary, praying to the saints, venerating Mary, submitting to a pope, having a select priesthood, baptizing an infant, observing the ordinances of baptism and the Lord’s Supper as sacraments, or passing on apostolic authority to successors of the apostles. All of these are core elements of the Roman Catholic faith. If most of the core elements of the Roman Catholic Church were not practiced by the New Testament Church (the first church and one true church), how then can the Roman Catholic Church be the first church? A study of the New Testament will clearly reveal that the Roman Catholic Church is not the same church as the church that is described in the New Testament.


660 posted on 12/18/2010 8:09:22 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: terycarl
They submitted their writings to their leaders (Catholic Church) wwhich recorded them aand saved them for posterity (you) say thanks to the Catholics,

Shirley you jest...The authors of the NT scriptures were the leaders...There was no Catholic church...

And there were no writings of the Apostles/Disciples that were saved by the Catholic church...How could you even repeat such a lie???

THERE WERE NO OTHER CHRISTIANS AROUND in early church history.....the Catholic were the only ones and no one can refute that.

The bible refutes that...

721 posted on 12/18/2010 9:23:00 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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