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To: Natural Law; TSgt; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; the_conscience; ...
When the Church invokes Mary under the title, "Coredemptrix", she means...

But you said, and most emphatically...

NL: Neither has any Pope ever declared Mary a co-redeemer...

So it's not quite "diversity of thought" in the RCC, it's an error on your part in knowing what your church believes and teaches.

Is that an example of being "poorly catechised?" Maybe it's just the RCC talking out of both sides of its mouth again and never being consistent about much of anything.

It's interesting that you chose NOT to put the bulk of your comment in quotation marks. Apparently you should have since you seem to have lifted almost the entire comment from other peoples' work found here (and other places) which was NOT written by you...

MARY AS CO-REDEMPTRIX: AN EXPLANATION

Even though you didn't write that blather, it is still (and poorly) trying to defend the anti-Scriptural elevation of a sinner to the status of divinity. A big no-no from the very beginning. God is not amused by that kind of idolatry. Where He once may have winked, He know condemns.

Regardless, it's very bad form to make it appear that whole paragraphs are your own writing when someone else actually wrote them. If you can't think of what to say or you feel inept writing something, just link to the page. We'll be sure to read it, and that way we'll know who actually wrote the work.

There is diversity of thought within the Church so your theory about Catholics being "brainwashed robots" is contradicted by your own argument. Each must examine his own conscience and provide his own reasons. I can only comment on the what has been decided upon by the Magesterium or declared ex Cathedra.

lol. Well, which is it? Do RCs agree on their theology and rely on "what has been decided upon by the magisterium" or do they "examine their own conscience and provide his own reasons?"

Do you not see the blatant contradiction here?

"Brain-washed robots" seldom do. (Not sure who originally wrote that nifty phrase, but since you put it in quotation marks, I figured I'd better, too. Just to be safe.)

(I'm also hoping you noticed the use of the quotation marks throughout my comment. Using them means someone other than me made those statements. Try it. You'll get the hang of it.)

Any future misrepresentation of these facts by you a liar because you will have known better and have chosen to willfully distort it for some unholy:

Did you drop a verb in that sentence? Regardless, it's against the rules of the FR FR to call someone "a liar."

God willing, your apology will be forthcoming.

I have repeatedly commented that I find the term RC offensive.

No, you haven't. Not in a long, long time.

Are two people posting under the name "Natural Law?"

Regardless here, too, the shorthand of "RC" and "RCC" has not been declared "offensive" by your magisterium, and therefore my conscience will continue to permit me to use the terms.

(Note the quotation marks.)

1,454 posted on 12/21/2010 10:04:32 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Neither has any Pope ever declared Mary a co-redeemer..."

No pope has. JPII may have stated his personal opinion, but the office of the pope has not declared. For one who claims to know all things Catholic you never miss an opportunity to parade your ignorance.

Further, "co-redeemer" doesn't mean what you so fallaciously claim it does. Mary did indeed participate in the Redemption of mankind through her willing participation in the birth and life of Jesus. That is an irrefutable stare decisis fact and not open for debate. No amount of anti-Catholic hysteria, chest thumping, badgering, threatening, warnings, or word games is going to change that or the Catholic belief in that. Get over it or get used to it. (note: stare decisis is a legal common term and not in need of translation).

"Regardless, it's very bad form to make it appear that whole paragraphs are your own writing when someone else actually wrote them."

I clearly introduced that as the Church's position. I didn't claim to author it. I am not responsible for the conclusions you jump to.

" Regardless, it's against the rules of the FR FR to call someone "a liar.""

I didn't call you one, I merely stated the conditions that would confirm you as one. You have the ability to prevent that, if you choose or assume the mantle by your own actions. A liar is as a liar does.

"Are two people posting under the name "Natural Law?"

Why don't you ask the mod, you seem to have privy to a lot of information not available to the average garden variety Freeper. Better yet, why don't you just read the minds of the committee you perceive to be Natural Law.

1,456 posted on 12/21/2010 10:34:59 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

INDEED.


1,458 posted on 12/21/2010 10:45:47 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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