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To: RnMomof7

Mary was simply an obedient human.
When God called, she obeyed. Thats all.

The Bible speaks of only one sinless person and that Jesus Christ. If Mary was sinless, then God would have said so. Since God did not say Mary was without sin in the Bible then she was a good person, but a sinner JUST LIKE US.

I know thew Catholic church likes to make stuff up. I used to be Catholic. But the point is this: If its not in the Bible, then its just a fairy tale. The RCC doesn’t get to add arbitrary things to the Word of God.

So the doctrine of Purgatory is fake. Not in the Bible? Toss it out!

Mary was not an eternal virgin. Not in the Bible? Toss it out! The Bible says Jesus had brothers. He was not an only child.

Prayer to saints? Not in the Bible? Toss it out!
Nowhere is there an example of people praying to the dead in the Bible. Zip. Nada. Nowhere!

The RCC likes to call these added heresies tradition. But is tradition mentioned in the Bible? Mary was simply an obedient human.
When God called, she obeyed. Thats all.

The Bible speaks of only one sinless person and that Jesus Christ. If Mary was sinless, then God would have said so. Since God did not say Mary was without sin in the Bible then she was a good person, but a sinner JUST LIKE US.

I know thew Catholic church likes to make stuff up. I used to be Catholic. But the point is this: If its not in the Bible, then its just a fairy tale. The RCC doesn’t get to add arbitrary things to the Word of God.

So the doctrine of Purgatory is fake. Not in the Bible? Toss it out!

Mary was not an eternal virgin. Not in the Bible? Toss it out! The Bible says Jesus had brothers. He was not an only child.

Prayer to saints? Not in the Bible? Toss it out!
Nowhere is there an example of people praying to the dead in the Bible. Zip. Nada. Nowhere!

The RCC likes to call these added heresies tradition. But is tradition mentioned in the Bible? NO! Toss it out!
There is NO authority granted to the Catholic church to just make up crap and add it to the Holy Word of God, but thats just what they do.

Wiser people like me who believe in Jesus, are eventually forced to leave the RCC by their own inability to understand the very things of God.


53 posted on 12/05/2010 6:54:38 PM PST by Cyclops08
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To: Cyclops08

**I used to be Catholic. **

I’ve got news for you. If you are a baptized Catholic you are still a Catholic even though you may not presently be a practicing one. Sit down with a priest and find out the answers to why you think the Catholic Church makes things up and doesn’t believe in the Bible.

The Catholic Church gave the Bible to all other churches. Ponder it.

You are welcome to come back.....just sit down and talk with a priest.


82 posted on 12/05/2010 7:04:22 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Cyclops08

“Nowhere is there an example of people praying to the dead in the Bible. Zip. Nada. Nowhere!”

Arise, Lazarus.


270 posted on 12/05/2010 8:45:46 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Cyclops08

Mary was not an eternal virgin. Not in the Bible? Toss it out! The Bible says Jesus had brothers. He was not an only child.


I tend to agree, but i think there is some evidence that Jesus,s brothers were older than him.

John 19: 25thru 17

25”
Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.

26
When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!”

27
Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.”

I think it is natural to assume that if Jesus had younger brothers and sisters, tradition would demand that the mother would have been taken care of by her own children, and it would have been their right and responsibility to care for her.

In other words if mary would have had other children Jesus would have not had any reason to have done that.

John 7

1
After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

2
Now the Jews’ feast of tabernacles was at hand.

3
His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.

4
For [there is] no man [that] doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.

5
For neither did his brethren believe in him.

Doe,s that sound like younger brothers? would a younger brother urge an older brother to go some where that might get him killed?

These brothers did not look up to Jesus as a younger brother would, which makes me believe they were older step brothers or cousins.

And you are right, at that time his mother and brethren were just like all of the other unbelievers.

Matthew 12:46-50 (King James Version)

46
While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

47
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

49
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Jesus had to die on the cross for his mother as for every one else.

If in fact they had believed in him they would not have been
outside.


594 posted on 12/06/2010 9:02:46 AM PST by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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