[Cvengr]

IMHO, metmom, you are being very gracious.

Ever notice how cult members refuse to refer to the mother of Jesus Christ, but insist she is the mother, ergo preceding source, of God? Those same cult members have hijacked the ecclesiastical structure of part of the Bride, but He is not fooled. They will be made a footstool unto His feet.

[Puddleglum]

Elizabeth calls Mary the mother of the Lord: “And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?”

[Cronos]

insist she is the mother, ergo preceding source, of God?

Very strange conclusion -- do you think YOUR mother is your preceding source, your creator?

[maryz]

Ever notice how cult members refuse to refer to the mother of Jesus Christ, but insist she is the mother, ergo preceding source, of God?

And you keep demonstrating that you don't understand our doctrine and seem to have a fuzzy understanding of the nature of Christ -- or at least a fuzzy (not clear enough to be officially Nestorian but tending there) understanding of how the Church teaches it.

[Cronos]

insist she is the mother, ergo preceding source, of God?

Very strange conclusion -- do you think YOUR mother is your preceding source, your creator?

Mary, as we have repeated ad nauseum on this thread, was a created being, created by Jesus Christ her God, her son and her Savior.

She was not his preceding source, his creator, no more than our mothers are our creators.

The term Theotokos, or God-bearer, specifically was formulated to point out that Jesus was God, not a man who became God, not a spirit, but God AND man.