Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
Agreed, 100%. And thank you for reminding posters that Dr. E. is just another poster, nobody special, and definitely not a moderator. We have the mod’s word on that. Telling other posters how to behave is arrogating authority to herself that she will never have.
That one string banjo act is getting old. I suppose you are going to claim that the centuries old traditions of tribal warfare, animist religion and superstition that permeates the Hutu and Tutsi cultures was not in any way responsible. I suppose that since the Catholic Church is active on every continent and in every country you can point to similar atrocities from the "decades of racist preaching" in locations other than Rwanda. How about we discuss the fate of the predominantly Catholic Igbo peoples of Nigeria who were slaughtered in similar numbers by the majority Islamic and Protestant Nigerians during the Biafra War in the 1960s?
If a person posts an outrageous statement as fact even though the research does not support that statement and even debunks it, it is hard to sugar coat the practice. What has been done goes way beyond a difference of opinion or innocently relying on an unreliable source. I am stymied that such practice is within forum rules. But in my ignorance I am forced to accept statements such as this
“All the Aborigines were slaughtered. And who was responsible for the massacre? Look to London.
(some words changed to avoid making it personal)”
As having no ill intent and showing at most a robust difference in opinion over facts we can agree upon. If the statement was rephrased as such
“Many Aborigines numbered amongst those slaughtered. I believe the responsiblity for the massacre can be traced to policies encouraged and even established by London. It is my opinion that we need only to look to British history to find the root cause of this slaughter.”
Then I would certainly agree the post was a robust difference of opinion with no personal ill will behind it.
The other. Not so much.
1. The Catholic Church is active on every continent, in every country.
2. People are doing bad things on every continent, in every country.
3. The Church is responsible for people doing bad things all over the world.
Sounds logical to me.
Don’t make this thread about individual FReepers, Judith. It’s against the rules.
The inclusion of the word "Judith" made this post about an individual poster. It appears that some Freepers are too pretentious, stubborn, stupid or arrogant to believe that the rules apply to everyone equally. Perhaps the Religion Moderator can provide more definitive guidelines on what constitutes a posting about a Freeper and differentiates it from a post to a freeper.
~~”How about we discuss the fate of the predominantly Catholic Igbo peoples of Nigeria who were slaughtered in similar numbers by the majority Islamic and Protestant Nigerians during the Biafra War in the 1960s?”~~
lol. You sure of that? What history book is that from? “How Rome Rewrites History - Part Deux?”
Nigeria is 50% Muslim, 15% Protestant, 13.7% Catholic, and 19.6% other Christian.
During the Biafran War, violence was committed by Muslims from the North on all Christians in the south. Nothing about Protestants against Roman Catholics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War
And please note the Igbo people are both Protestant and Roman Catholic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people
Some days it’s just exhausting keeping RCs honest.
ad hominem (Webster's Dictionary)
2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
Ad hominem arguments are also logical fallacies:
Fallacies (Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
You commit this fallacy if you make an irrelevant attack on the arguer and suggest that this attack undermines the argument itself. It is a form of the Genetic Fallacy.
Example:
If the fallacious reasoner points out irrelevant circumstances that the reasoner is in, the fallacy is a circumstantial ad hominem. Tu Quoque and Two Wrongs Make a Right are other types of the ad hominem fallacy.
The major difficulty with labeling a piece of reasoning as an ad hominem fallacy is deciding whether the personal attack is relevant. For example, attacks on a person for their actually immoral sexual conduct are irrelevant to the quality of their mathematical reasoning, but they are relevant to arguments promoting the person for a leadership position in the church. Unfortunately, many attacks are not so easy to classify, such as an attack pointing out that the candidate for church leadership, while in the tenth grade, intentionally tripped a fellow student and broke his collar bone.
Absolutely, positively, 100% sure. I had the misfortune to live in Nigeria for most of 1962. My father was a contractor at the Project Mercury tracking station in Kano, Nigeria and our family was evacuated at the outset of the Nigerian Civil (Biafran) War. Our nanny was Igbo. For that reason I have always kept tabs on the goings on in Nigeria. And yes, it is exhausting keeping the "RCs" (Raving Calvinists) honest.
"The Igbo (or Ibo) are the largest ethnic group in the southeast of Nigeria. They comprise approximately 18 percent of the population and are predominantly Catholic. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/portraits/nigeria.html)
"The predominantly Catholic Igbo are the largest ethnic group in the southeast,... "(http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2836.htm)
Today, the majority of the Igbo people are Christian, well over half of whom are Roman Catholics.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people)
The predominantly Christian Igbo are the largest ethnic group in the southeast. Roman Catholics are the largest denomination (http://www.fact-index.com/d/de/demographics_of_nigeria.html)
Concentrated in the southeast, the Igbos, who are predominantly Catholic (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703376504575492382253507788.html)
Thank you
I thought this thread had become so dense and compact that it collapsed upon itself forming a singularity within the time space continuum. Wait a minute, that was your Christmas wish...
Thanks for dealing with our poor behavior. God knows you don’t deserve it.
LOL
Thanks for your conspiracy theory that the Presbyterians and Baptists are now under Vatican control. So, Michel Twagirayezu, who was President of the Presbyterian Church of Rwanda, and incited and supervised the Genocide and worked closely with the killers, is now a Vatican agent. What other weird theories do you have to tell us? You might as well get them all on the table now.
LOL!
Aha! Your clever ruse to get everyone to "walk away" and thus avoid a flame war has now become apparent to me! Genius!
just those wacky southern mid-western anecdotal ones Catholics all seem to know someone who knows someone who heard about one
hmmmmmmmmmmm
Too many anti-Catholics actually start a flame war and then walk away when they get spanked and publically humiliated. It seems that when too many lies are refuted they jump to another Catholic topic, like a 10 year old hitting the reset button on their X-Box and begin the same flame war believing that others will forget that Igbos are predominantly Catholic and Tusti's were never predominantly Anglican. Unfortunately they never learned Ben Franklin's quote: "The best thing about always telling the truth is that you don't have to have such a good memory".
Read some history books. The Igbos are both Roman Catholic AND Protestant.
RC apologists just make things up.
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