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Was Mary Sinless?
The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: Deo volente

I’ve “proved it” in several of the links I posted. Go back and read them.

Why not start with this one...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2637924/posts?page=3207#3207

And this one...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2637924/posts?page=3222#3222


3,361 posted on 12/15/2010 11:33:25 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Al Hitan; Judith Anne; lastchance; narses; Natural Law
Those articles are not proof in the least that the Vatican in Rome engineered and carried out the genocide of 800,000 people in Rwanda, and you know it.

Your charge was that the Vatican was responsible for the Rwandan massacre.

To repeat, for the last time: a DAMNABLE LIE.

Go ahead and enjoy the satisfaction of having the last word. I won't continue to play this charade, since it's not worth responding to garbage.

3,362 posted on 12/15/2010 11:50:17 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Deo volente

1) We are not to call each other liars.

2) I believe the articles I posted. You don’t. That’s life.

3) I’m not “playing this charade” but that doesn’t mean you’re not. We have no way of knowing.


3,363 posted on 12/15/2010 11:58:07 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Deo volente

It’s a sorta game. “What’s the most scandalous thing you can find?”

Truth or even honest examination is not part of the game. Just posting the worst you can find.

Over time, some of the worst damnable lies get banned - and others are found; but, admission of lies or correction is never seen in my experience.

It’s like a game. A sick game, yes, but one that harms the carrier even more. Justice is unavoidable in this way. The worse the lie, the greater the harm on those who spread it.

Lord, have mercy.


3,364 posted on 12/16/2010 12:20:12 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Lord, have mercy.

I'll join you in that prayer.
A happy and blessed Advent to you!
3,365 posted on 12/16/2010 12:43:00 AM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Deo volente; Judith Anne; Natural Law; lastchance
What your examples show is that the Protestant churches do not hide or protect criminals, even when they are members of the clergy.

Eyewitnesses told Helsingin Sanomat in 2007 that Bazaramba acquired weapons and led killers. One witness told the newspaper that he got weapons from Eleazar Ziherembere, at the time general secretary of the Union of Baptist Churches of Rwanda. Ziherembere fled Rwanda in 1994 and now works as area director for Africa at International Ministries of the American Baptist Churches USA.

3,366 posted on 12/16/2010 2:31:07 AM PST by Al Hitan
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Deo volente; Judith Anne; Natural Law; lastchance
The facts remain unaltered. The Roman Catholic church via the Vatican was, in great part, directly responsible for the massacre.

Here're some incovenient truths that seem to be convenient for you to ignore:

    [Michel Twagirayezu, the former President of the Presbyterian Church of Rwanda] is accused of having incited and supervised the Genocide and worked closely with the killers

    Anglican bishop Samuel Musabyimana, who allegedly 'was responsible for killing or causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the Tutsi population with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a racial or ethnic group'.

    [Jean Uwinkindi, pastor of the Pentecostal Church in Kanzenze] One of the most wanted promoters of the genocide that took place in Rwanda in 1994 has been arrested in Uganda.

Thanks for the opportunity to set the record straight.
3,367 posted on 12/16/2010 3:13:46 AM PST by Al Hitan
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Is someone trying for the Guinness Book of Records?


3,368 posted on 12/16/2010 5:46:31 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"A person doesn't have to be a moderator to learn the rules and obey them."

Do you want to tell us how many warnings, admonishments, and pulled posts you have had in the last year? If the number is greater than zero you are being a pretentious hypocrite.

3,369 posted on 12/16/2010 8:38:31 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

All men are fallen.

Like Paul says, no man can keep the law perfectly.

But that doesn’t mean we’re not supposed to try. Thankfully, as far as salvation goes, Christ fulfills the law perfectly where we cannot and by God’s grace, that righteousness is freely and mercifully imputed to us.

Regarding the FR RF, the law is there to aid all of us. Thankfully, I’ve come to realize that the rules actually benefit everyone’s Christian walk by keeping our personal opinions in check and our focus on Christ.

At least that’s how it’s supposed to work. And when we abide by the rules and discuss beliefs and issues and faiths and practices and not each other, the discussion is less personal and more informative.

Some FReepers have a hard time with this, and so they are advised to stick to the caucus or ecumenical threads. That’s good advice. I’ve had a few comments pulled, and to a one, I think they were validly deleted. But that happens less and less as I obey the rules.

And I’ve never been told to leave a thread, something a few RC apologists cannot say.


3,370 posted on 12/16/2010 9:42:26 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Al Hitan

No one is denying those three men were likely involved.

That doesn’t change the fact that the Vatican and dozens if not hundreds of Roman Catholic priests and nuns were complicit in the massacre, some behind bars today.

Rome even skirts an apology, coming close to admitting its dreadful part (but never quite there.) So apparently the Vatican is more candid than some RC apologists on this forum who deny any culpability for their church (notice I didn’t say “sect” or “cult.”)

No, it is the Roman Catholic church that stands accused and fails in its defense.


3,371 posted on 12/16/2010 10:04:12 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"And I’ve never been told to leave a thread, something a few RC apologists cannot say."

That speaks more about the moderators than it does you. In a forum that never fails to disappoint or reach new lows you do stand out. I know many Muslims who display far more Christian charity and good will than you do. We are called to preach the Gospel daily, sometimes with words. That is a challenge you have monumentally failed.

3,372 posted on 12/16/2010 10:10:06 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

Not only are you criticizing the Moderators, you’re “making it personal.”

Please stop.


3,373 posted on 12/16/2010 10:18:52 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Deo volente; Judith Anne; Natural Law; lastchance
No one is denying those three men were likely involved.

It is refreshing to see you finally admit that it wasn't just Catholics involved, but that Protestants also participated and even were leaders of the genocide in some cases. Thank-you.

3,374 posted on 12/16/2010 10:24:33 AM PST by Al Hitan
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3,375 posted on 12/16/2010 10:40:44 AM PST by xone
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Not only are you criticizing the Moderators"

Don't go putting words in my mouth. You said; "All men are fallen.". I assumed that you included the mods in that group too.

When you lie about the Catholic Church you are making it personal.

3,376 posted on 12/16/2010 10:46:04 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
Don't make the thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

3,377 posted on 12/16/2010 10:55:00 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Natural Law
When you lie about the Catholic Church you are making it personal.

When you say I "lie" you are breaking the rules of the FR RF by imputing motive.

And criticizing any church is not against the rules nor is it "making it personal." If you take it personally, you should stick to the caucus and ecumenical threads.

Learn the rules and post according to them.

3,378 posted on 12/16/2010 11:49:03 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Al Hitan

I never denied others were involved.

But the RCC was the motivating force for the genocide through decades of racist preaching and teaching in RC schools and seminaries.


3,379 posted on 12/16/2010 11:53:57 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"When you say I "lie" you are breaking the rules of the FR RF by imputing motive."

I am not imputing motive, I am merely stating an observation of fact. When anyone says "X" and "X" is proven to be a lie, the one repeating it becomes a liar. Don't complain to me about this, take it up with Daniel Webster.

I have a brother, son, and uncle who are priests. Your false and vitriolic ad homenems against the Church and its clergy offend me deeply and it is not up to you to decide what should or should not offend me. In fact I have reason to believe that is your intent and that you derive some perverse pleasure from it.

Lastly, let me remind you that you are not a Moderator, a Junior Moderator, or special assistant to the moderators,an honorary moderator, a deputy moderator or even a recognized volunteer moderator. Your pretentious posing is an insult to the real moderators. As for your advice and warnings with regard to the rules you can go spread that sunshine on the lawn.

3,380 posted on 12/16/2010 12:15:05 PM PST by Natural Law
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