Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
Please cite scripture which says everything should be in (as opposed to “should not contradict”) scripture. And a god-complex on your group’s part is kind of silly.
It doesn't say that, it says in so many words that they were removed from the world and did not die. The Bible also say it's appointed to man once to die, and so they will. I realize the Catholic Church does not put much emphasis upon the book of Revelation, and what emphasis there is, is something with which I most frequently disagree, but the reference I made was to that book.
Many have studied the matter, it's a very striking chapter in a very striking book. The "two witnesses"... ponder the meaning of the word "witness" in matters both temporal and spiritual. Reading this, it's evident that there are no longer believers in the world, and these two witnesses are despised and feared.
Candidates for the two have been Moses, Elijah and Enoch, in the estimation of every theologian or speculating layperson I've encountered. Elijah appears to be almost universally accepted among those who have studied it, as one of the two. Moses, we are told in the Bible, died. To me, this means Moses cannot be one of the two. I do not believe in reincarnation; it's not scriptural. So, we have Elijah and Enoch as the two witnesses of Revelation. This I was taught by the numerous Protestant denominations to which I have been exposed.
According to the Bible, these two are physical men, witnesses, both literal witnesses testifying and spiritual witnesses, to the world without the Church, the body of believers having been removed, taken up, just as Elijah and Enoch were. This is a reasonable interpretation of what has been written there. Elijah and Enoch are also recorded as prophets, I believe once and future as well, fearsome ones with much power granted them in the world for that short time.
So, they didn't/wont die in heaven, they'll die their appointed death as all men are appointed once to die, here on Earth. And yet, they will be resurrected after the third day, so the hostile, unbelieving world will know. They will know, just who they are and just who sent them.
The remainder of your reply, I really don't see anything substantial enough as far as disagreement to hash out to any great extent. The wages of Adam's sin were death and all his descendants have been subject to it without exception. Infant baptism, in my view, is certainly a harmless act of faith taken in and of itself, but misguided since baptism is clearly a conscious act entered into by believers and infants are not capable. Later in life, I'd be concerned about the matter for those baptised without assent or even understanding. There's potential harm there. That is the reason I take issue with infant baptism.
Under the Law, they are...
If only you had a shred of evidence to support that fantasy...
LOL LOL
For what purpose???
Do you think it impossible for the Holy Spirit to preserve a created being like Mary from sin?
No more impossible than the Holy Spirit living within all born again Christians...
The catch is; the Holy Spirit told us he would indwell Christians...He did not however, tell us Mary would be sinless, and didn't give any reason why Mary should be sinless...
It's a fabrication outside of the scripture...
I trust you're trying for 8x oftener? Because you're only getting 12.7% of the Bible in your Sunday Mass.
What is not understood is that it is not "negative" to demand a correct reading of the word of God. It is not negative to demand that ALL GLORY for salvation go to God ALONE..there no co redeemers ...It is not negative to ask people to turn from their idolatry, repent and turn to Christ and Christ alone as the full propitiation of their sins, not to seek to buy themselves back from the slavery of sin , not to go to His mother to ask nice for them,.
Catholics say the words that Christ saved them at the same time the bath tub Mary is still looked at as a way to clean up
I know catholics really do not THINK they worship mary and therefore are guilty of breaking the 1st commandment .. but we witness daily here and in our lives a devotion to her that is greater than the love of Christ.. There is NO PRACTICAL or BEHAVIORAL difference between "worship and veneration" because they are really the same..
As a saved child of God and sister to Christ the magnification of glory of God is primary in my life..
The love of God demands that the truth of the gospel be spoken, men hate it because they want to build their own god and their own way to salvation.. but the warning rings in my ears..
Pro 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.
***So is eating pork or lobster. Puts an extra meaning into the phrase “a damned good meal.”***
Except the New Testament did away with dietary laws, just like circumcision.
No Protestant says everything has to be in scripture...But as you say, nothing can contradict scripture...
When your popes claim that one must go thru Mary to receive salvation, it's a lie...
When your religion says to drink blood and the scriptures says don't drink blood, your religion is wrong...
When the scripture says to call no man father, and you call your priests father, and your pope Holy Father, your religion is flat out wrong...
When Jesus shows you how to pray, to God, and you pray to Mary or others, you are wrong...
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved
One thing I have observed over the years is that Catholics don't talk about Jesus...It's always Christ this or Christ that...Bible tells us there are many anti-Christs...
Do you guys talk to Jesus??? Do you even know Jesus???
Then why do you demand that Mary had to be sinless???
Yup.
Interesting link. Shows the percentage used in Sunday and Major Feast Day Masses WITHOUT the Psalms, and apparently without the four gospels.
Also interesting is the designation “deutero-Pauline” epistles (iirc). LOL! Wonder what that means? Anyway, I don’t know wehre you get the 12.7% of the Bible, when it shows that 40% of the NT is used in the Sunday and Major Feast Day masses.
Why would he??? He didn't preserve Adam and Eve from sin...
Amen ... When I heard the quote from that preacher that" there is enough sin in my prayer to damn me " I realized how often even our prayer is selfish, self centered, self glorifying, demanding .. etc.. even our prayer reflects our inability and sinfulness
There's a reason John didn't tell us the other signs that Jesus performed...And that's because they were nothing that we needed to know for our salvation...
If there was an Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary, Jesus would have told us...And since He didn't, your religion is just making it up...
(1) Mary called Jesus “my Savior”. She wouldn’t have needed a savior if she had been sinless.
(2) “For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” Every human inherited Adam’s sin, including Mary.
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