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Was Mary Sinless?
The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: RnMomof7

“But the other conception, namely the infusion of the soul, it is piously and suitably believed, was without any sin, so that while the soul was being infused, she would at the same time be cleansed from original sin and adorned with the gifts of God to receive the holy soul thus infused. And thus, in the very moment in which she began to live, she was without all sin...”

Martin Luther, Weimar edition of Martin Luther’s Works


61 posted on 12/05/2010 6:57:09 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: armydoc

Interesting logic, I guess this means Jesus sinned then right? For is he not part of “All”?


62 posted on 12/05/2010 6:57:35 PM PST by jafojeffsurf ( Return to the Constitution.)
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To: RnMomof7

Mary, Joseph, all the “saints” do nothing for me. Jesus is the ONLY one who forgives and saves. Worshiping or praying to any other “relation” is idolatry.


63 posted on 12/05/2010 6:58:09 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: MamaB
No, she wasn’t. God said, “all have sinned” and that included Mary.

So God didn't have the power to absolve her as has been described in Catholic canons? Wow, omnipotence is so limiting...

64 posted on 12/05/2010 6:58:16 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: metmom; RnMomof7

Ask RnMomof7, it was her suggestion about the Mother of God.


66 posted on 12/05/2010 6:58:43 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: MrB; MamaB

Why is Mamab unqualified to read the Word of God? Can you tell me where I can find that in scripture - that man is unqualified to read the Word of God? I thought faith came from hearing...and hearing from the Word of God.


67 posted on 12/05/2010 6:58:55 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Ann Archy

In fairness he may have meant that she too inherited original sin not that she committed sins.


68 posted on 12/05/2010 6:59:31 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: RnMomof7

Does the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception say otherwise? No it does not.


69 posted on 12/05/2010 7:00:28 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: narses
WHERE? IN WHAT POST ???

You sir have TICKED ME OFF

(yes I know I'm screaming.)

70 posted on 12/05/2010 7:01:29 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Salvation
Mary was the Ark of the New Covenant -- carrying Christ within her womb. Of course, she was pure and sinless. Why would anyone ever doubt that?

The OT is all about CHRIST, not His mother..the ark was a type of CHRIST..Unless sins are forgiven by Mary on the mercy seat, unless Mary led the Jews in the desert, unless Mary led the Jews in battle..

That is just bad Mariology theology

The ark of the covenant

71 posted on 12/05/2010 7:01:48 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: mountn man

Thanks - that’s what I thought.


72 posted on 12/05/2010 7:02:09 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: RnMomof7

Does the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception say Mary is a goddess? Nope.


73 posted on 12/05/2010 7:02:09 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: RnMomof7

blessed - as in Luke 1:48

http://biblos.com/luke/1-48.htm
makariousin - Greek

The Greek from Strong’s.
http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/3106.htm

call blessed, count happy.

From makarios; to beatify, i.e. Pronounce (or esteem) fortunate — call blessed, count happy.

makarios
http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/3107.htm

blessed, happy.

A prolonged form of the poetical makar (meaning the same); supremely blest; by extension, fortunate, well off — blessed, happy(X -ier).


74 posted on 12/05/2010 7:02:14 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jafojeffsurf

Um, Jesus is the “glory of God” part.


75 posted on 12/05/2010 7:02:32 PM PST by Politicalmom (America-The Land of the Sheep, the Home of the Caved.)
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To: mountn man; narses; metmom

I demand to see it, too. This is an outrage.


76 posted on 12/05/2010 7:02:55 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: mountn man

Right you are!


77 posted on 12/05/2010 7:03:21 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: RnMomof7

Yes, Mary was blessed. She was fortunate and happy and well off.

But she was not sinless and not always a virgin.


78 posted on 12/05/2010 7:03:21 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jafojeffsurf
Interesting logic, I guess this means Jesus sinned then right? For is he not part of “All”?

Paul didn't think it necessary to point out the exception of Jesus in this Romans passage. Probably had something to do with the multiplicity of other passages that explicitly claimed Jesus' sinlessness. It would be redundant. However, if Mary was indeed sinless, it would have been very logical to claim her as an exception here, as there are no explicit (or even valid implicit) claims to her sinlessness elsewhere in scripture.
79 posted on 12/05/2010 7:03:40 PM PST by armydoc
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To: freedumb2003

Posting who Mary is - a handmaiden of The Lord, who needed a Savior like every human, and who fulfilled the destiny on her life is not bashing. How many go through life not only not fulfilling their destiny they were called to - but don’t even know it what it is.

Mary heard The Word and she obeyed it. How many do you know who do that? “Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down..” Mark 7:13
Do you know anyone that has done that, nullified God’s Word. Mary didn’t.

So you see, Christians are not bashing Mary in any way, shape or form.

Catholics are bashing God’s Word by their tradition of Mary and all their accolades the RCC bestows on her which are not in Scripture. Their tradition clearly opposes God’s Word regarding Mary.

So Catholics should learn from Mary but they don’t - seems nullifying God’s Word is paramount.


80 posted on 12/05/2010 7:03:40 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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