Was Mary Sinless?

The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

[RnMomof7]

First to be pleasing to God any work of love we do must arise out of His grace. We believe works and faith both come from grace and the merit for them is due to God alone. They are a way of giving evidence of our faith in the love of Christ for us and for others.

How do you get that grace to do those works of love?

You have yet to answer me LC... what is the GOOD NEWS

[RnMomof7]

I would suggest that you find a Catholic Church and inquire there. We read from the Gospels at EVERY MASS, many churches that claim to be Christian seldom if ever read the Gospels. If you really don't want to go to a Catholic Church, that's fine, the Orthodox, Lutherans and Anglicans ALSO read from the Gospels at every liturgy.

Then Catholics should have no problem telling us what the gospel is... what was the gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached?

[metmom]

I’ll take that as a *No*.

[shurwouldluv_a_smallergov]

I would certainly disagree with the loaded "it's no coincidence"...

What is that supposed to infer? Catholicsm breeds tyrants? You'd better believe I take issue with that!

So what if they were Catholics? Do you think Catholics believe that there are no bad Catholics?

Jesus appointed Judas as one of His apostles, and look how that turned out. Does that make Jesus bad because of the choices Judas made?

This thread has been a real eye-opener for me. In my personal face to face discussions with non-Catholics I have found them to be very civil, and while there is much we do not agree on, I've never experienced the level of hostility and name calling as I have seen on this thread.

Are you really Christians? You sure don't act like it!

[RnMomof7]

Hitler was admonished by a priest as a teenager, went crying from the church and NEVER RETURNED (there is NOTHING to suggest that he ever went to mass again and he certainly didn't have a Catholic funeral). By his actions he would later excommunicate himself.
Stalin left the seminary and would later tell the world that he rejected the Church in favor of Marxism. His own actions would also later excommunicate him.

Wag I am always told I am still a Catholic and still under the authority of the catholic church because my Catholic baptism left an INDELIBLE mark on my soul.

How is that not true of them ??

[wagglebee]

In short that Jesus Christ is God who came in the flesh for us and our salvation. He suffered and died for our sins and rose from the dead.

If we repent, are baptized and believe in Him we can have eternal life with Him in His Kingdom. However, we must also follow His commandment to love one another. We recieve the Holy Spirit through our acceptance of Christ and we receive the Body and Blood of Christ through the Eucharist.

[wagglebee]

A person can excommunicate themselves through their own actions (this has been true since the time of Judas). The Church will sometimes make public the names of those who are excommunicated, but they aren't required to.

[lastchance]

I have answered numerous times as to what the Good News is. God’s initial grace is not something we get because of what we do. God is always the first cause of our faith and of our charity (works of love). Our faith is nourished in many ways. As a Catholic I believe that I receive sanctifying grace through the sacraments. The grace is also strengthened and brought to light be the hearing of His Word and by obeying it. Part of obeying it includes doing as Christ commanded in the Scripture cited.

And you not liking my answer about the Gospel is not the same as not answering you. Your own private interpretation is so far from historic Christianity I don’t even recognize it.

[wintertime]

because my Catholic baptism left an INDELIBLE mark on my soul
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I owned and was the doctor in a busy health clinic. One day I had a 3 or 4 year old in the examining room and I noticed a crudely drawn tattoo of the letter “M” on his arm. I asked the little fellow how this ( “indelible”) mark got there. He said that his mom and her friends were drunk and put it there.

I think that before anyone does anything “indelible” to another person they should be certain that the person is old enough to have the agency to accept it or reject it.

[Judith Anne]

Wag I am always told I am still a Catholic and still under the authority of the catholic church because my Catholic baptism left an INDELIBLE mark on my soul.

If anyone has left the Catholic Church and repudiated its teachings, then that person is an excommunicated Catholic -- that person has excommunicate him/herself. To all appearances here, that is true of you.

[lastchance]

This was my answer to Dr. E. It is also the answer of historic Christianity. You might crack open the Church fathers once in awhile to get their perspective.

Salvation, Salvation, Salvation. He preached it and He is it. He proclaimed the Kingdom of God was at hand. He ransoms us. He redeems us. He restores us. He draws back the veil. He makes us new creatures. He died on the Cross so that we may be with Him in Glory.

He is the Truth that all truths must be measured against. He is the good news of God’s love. All things were made for Him so that the very skies can proclaim His greatness.

He is my Lord, my Savior and my King.

[Natural Law]

"How is that not true of them ??"

Because the possibility of Salvation is available to even the most egregious sinner up until the moment of his/her death.

[Grizzled Bear]

It’s possible to keep the Law, on the outside.

Keeping the Law "on the outside" isn't keeping the Law.

I think it's possible to keep "the letter of the law" yet neglect the spirit of the law. Jesus spoke of this when He said "Woe to you oh Pharisees, teachers of the law

Regardless, the law cannot save anyone. It's there to show us why we need a savior. Thank God for His Grace through Jesus Christ!

I once heard an awesome sermon where the preacher spoke about "Dr Law" and "Dr Grace."

[Judith Anne]

Try not to be thin-skinned.

[Grizzled Bear]

It’s the heart attitude not the perfection of works.

If the heart is right, the works will follow. That's why they're called "fruits."

[maryz]

Non sequitur -- has nothing to do with what the disagreement was about.

[Grizzled Bear]

Are you calling RnMom fat?

Well, obviously RnMomof7's husband is quite pleased with her appearance or she wouldn't have the "Momof7" part in her name. Besides, I bet she's actually "curvy." Curvy is good.

[Grizzled Bear]

Try not to be thin-skinned.

I'm just asking for equal treatment. Does that concept disturb you?

[metmom]

Catholics would do well to heed that advice as well.

Why don’t you ever tell them that when they spam the abuse button or complain about insults from non-Catholics?