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Was Mary Sinless?
The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; wmfights; Cronos; Iscool; 1000 silverlings; editor-surveyor; metmom; ...
Wmfights started asking this question a few years ago and the silence from dozens of Roman Catholics has been thunderous.

Thank you for the recognition, but I was really only one of many Evangelical Christians who noticed that the RC's do not know The Gospel and when it is preached to them they scoff at it and call those who believe it foolish. The shame of it is their church does such a poor job of teaching what is actually in Scripture they don't realize that they are on the wrong side of the Cross because of this.

Believing The Gospel with no "ands", "buts", or "maybes" is the foundation of Christianity.

1,861 posted on 12/09/2010 10:27:25 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: 1000 silverlings; UriÂ’el-2012; Gamecock; Grizzled Bear; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; ...

Making blanket statements and assumptions about people and passing them off as true, and then asking people why they believe it or if they agree with the other’s alleged position (which has been misrepresented) is flame baiting and finessing the guidelines.

GB is right that it falls into the *Have you stopped beating your wife yet?* kind of question.

The only reason I can think of to do something like that is to set someone up for an abuse report. I guess the inequity of chastisements between the Catholics and the non-Catholics must be really irritating some and they are trying to alter the situation.


1,862 posted on 12/09/2010 10:28:44 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The fact that supposed "conservatives" applaud this communistic blueprint is nauseating.

54% of Catholics voting for Barry is no surprise.

The Constitution is about as important to them as God's Word.

Don't look to God, look to the church; don't embrace the Constitution, embrace government - the mindset of the RCC, the anti-Word organization.
1,863 posted on 12/09/2010 10:29:43 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: metmom
That says Paul was blameless as to the Law -- not the Pharisees as a class.
1,864 posted on 12/09/2010 10:30:45 AM PST by maryz
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

The typos creep in sometimes because of the M.S. My brain thinks one thing and my fingers type another. The strangest one was when I did could for called. I usually notice and change it. This time I did not catch it. Thanks for pointing that out. What is worse is when I am speaking to somebody and I know the word I want to say. I can even picture it in my mind. But it will not move down to my tongue. So I stand there sputtering like an inarticulate idiot growing more and more frustrated. No doubt witnessing my distress would give you cause for enjoyment and be evidence of my sin of being Catholic.

May the Lord deal with you with the same grace and mercy as you show others.


1,865 posted on 12/09/2010 10:31:11 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: metmom
*The only reason I can think of to do something like that is to set someone up for an abuse report*

worth repeating

1,866 posted on 12/09/2010 10:31:53 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: metmom
It’s possible to keep the Law, on the outside.

Keeping the Law "on the outside" isn't keeping the Law.

1,867 posted on 12/09/2010 10:32:48 AM PST by maryz
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To: the_conscience; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; ...
It is fascinating that Romanists see the Gospel as a set of books.

Do you belong to one of these strange cults which rejects Jesus Christ and chooses instead to worship St. Paul? Sts. Peter and Paul both wrote about this.

They see it [the Gospels] as a “to-do manual”.

Do you have any idea how telling this statement is?

Here is a snippet of what the non-Christians who choose to knowingly ignore the Words of our Lord and Savior DON'T DO:

Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. (Matthew 16:24)

[16] By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. [20] Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.

[21] Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. [24] Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.
-- Matthew 7:16-25

[19] Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world. (Matthew 28:19-20)

[16] You have not chosen me: but I have chosen you; and have appointed you, that you should go, and should bring forth fruit; and your fruit should remain: that whatsoever you shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. [17] These things I command you, that you love one another. [18] If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you. [19] If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. [20] Remember my word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept my word, they will keep yours also.
-- John 15:16-20

Let’s pray God opens they eyes and ears to know it has nothing to do with doing.

Non-Christians whose religious beliefs "have nothing to do with doing" are going to be in for a very unpleasant surprise:

[31] And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. [32] And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. [34] Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. [35] For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

[36] Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. [37] Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? [39] Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? [40] And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

[41] Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. [42] For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. [43] I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. [44] Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? [45] Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.

[46] And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
-- Matthew 25:31-46


1,868 posted on 12/09/2010 10:33:21 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Alex Murphy; RnMomof7; Cronos; Ann Archy; metmom
"What is it with Catholics that they cannot answer that question?? Really....have you EVER known a Protestant that couldn’t answer what the Gospel is?? Catholics must be ashamed of the Gospel!"

FWIW, we live to be able to tell unbelievers The Gospel. We support missionaries in some of the darkest areas of the world so they can tell people The Gospel. These same missionaries are being persecuted and killed for preaching The Gospel.

1,869 posted on 12/09/2010 10:33:50 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Cronos; 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7; metmom; wmfights; Gamecock; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; ...

No, I mean what I wrote. The Orthodox Presbyterian Church, a Godly, Scripture-based denomination which kneels to none but Christ.

Thanks again for giving me the occasion to post the website...

http://www.opc.org

Here’s a tip. If you go to the link, you will find an answer to the question which seems to escape every Roman Catholic on these threads — what is the Gospel, the Good News of Jesus Christ?


1,870 posted on 12/09/2010 10:34:21 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Ann Archy; RnMomof7; InvisibleChurch; 1000 silverlings
DO NOT post to me anymore...I have had it with all of you anti-Catholics!

Promise?

Although one wonders why you are here. This wasn't posted as a Catholic thread or by a Catholic and yet, here you be....

1,871 posted on 12/09/2010 10:36:48 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RobRoy
Actually, Mary's sinlessness and Perpetual Virginity are doctrines of Western Church and beliefs (though not defined as doctrines) of the Eastern Church. That's not what the original question was about.
1,872 posted on 12/09/2010 10:38:51 AM PST by maryz
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Do you believe that Jesus Himself is the embodiment of Good News?


1,873 posted on 12/09/2010 10:39:50 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: metmom

well she should leave, as should all the rest that can’t discern theology from their ample backsides


1,874 posted on 12/09/2010 10:39:55 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wagglebee

Gee how did all that filthy rag stuff get in there???


1,875 posted on 12/09/2010 10:40:45 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: maryz

That’s why Jesus said that a person’s righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees.


1,876 posted on 12/09/2010 10:40:56 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: lastchance
May the Lord deal with you with the same grace and mercy as you show others.

If that were true of any of us, we'd all be in trouble. Thankfully, God extends boundless mercy to those, like me, who don't deserve it.

God's blessings and strength to you in your illness.

"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." -- Phil. 4:13

1,877 posted on 12/09/2010 10:42:32 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: maryz

That’s why Jesus said that a person’s righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees.

And that’s why works don’t save. If the motivation isn’t right, they’re worthless, even though they may be technically correct.

It’s the heart attitude not the perfection of works.

Even Lot was called *righteous*, hardly a term I’d use for him.

If someone is doing works to earn salvation, they are doing it for the wrong reason. That’s why works don’t save.


1,878 posted on 12/09/2010 10:43:34 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
For her to be sinless, her mom and dad had to be sinless as well

Huh? Do you base this on something or did you come up with it all by yourself?

1,879 posted on 12/09/2010 10:44:17 AM PST by maryz
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To: wagglebee; the_conscience; metmom; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; ...
Do you belong to one of these strange cults which rejects Jesus Christ and chooses instead to worship St. Paul Mary, and other deceased humans? (and kisses paintings and statues)
1,880 posted on 12/09/2010 10:44:33 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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