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Mormon (Latter Day Saints) Beliefs Differ From Orthodox Christianity
Blanco County News (TX) ^
| Nov. 24, 2010
| Rev. Dr. Bobby W. Leggett
Posted on 12/01/2010 1:09:40 PM PST by Colofornian
Mormons have written several articles in the Blanco News and many people have asked me to explain what Mormons believe. Understanding what our religious neighbors believe is enlightening and helps us to be better neighbors to them.
Mormons number eleven million plus and are one of the few religious groups that are increasing in America. Some of the apparent differences in what Orthodox Christianity and LDS believe have to do with God, Jesus, and our scriptures. The only authority for Orthodox Christians is the Bible, Old and New Testaments. The LDS church beliefs are found in the Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrine and Covenants.
Joseph Smith was the founder of the LDS church. When Smith was 17, in 1823, the angel Moroni appeared to him and told him the location of two golden plates, on which was written the history of two ancient Native American Christian tribes. Joseph went to the site and found golden plates written by Ether, Mormon, Lehi and Nephi (ancient Native American authors), and a brass plate consisting of Hebrew scripture quotations and genealogies written by Laban.
LDS church believes that gods, angels and humans are all different forms of the same beings. These beings began their journey as spirit children created through celestial procreation. Not only do they teach about a heavenly father, but also a heavenly mother. The spirit children produced by the union of the heavenly father and mother are said to be angels. At some point the obedient children are given physical bodies and come to earth as human beings. Based on their obedient behavior on earth these human beings will inherit one of the three levels of exaltation. The humans who have followed the gospel of the LDS church will go to the celestial kingdom and themselves become gods and goddesses.
Therefore, one of the great differences between LDS church and Orthodox Christianity is the number of gods recognized. Christianity understands God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. LDS church recognizes many gods. Jesus said to a teacher of the Law in Mark 12:29, The most important one is this: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one. The documents of the LDS church claim the heavens and earth were created by a council of gods. Another difference is found in the understanding of God being Spirit, as Christians believe, or as the LDS church believes that the gods have flesh and bone.
Who is Jesus the Christ? Christians believe Jesus is the one and only Son of God taking on flesh and bone to become a Savior to those who believe and live in Him. LDS teaches in their Gospel Principles that Jesus is merely the first of billions of created spirit children and is literally our elder brother. In the LDs Doctrine and Covenants every person who was ever born on earth was our spirit brother or sister in heaven. They also teach Jesus is the brother of Satan.
These very basic differences lead to a host of other differences in what is believed about God and the resulting doctrines. The major differences include the nature of God, the nature of Jesus Christ, the nature of humankind and the nature of physical creation.
Next week we will examine other religions to understand better what our neighbors believe in contra-distinction to Orthodox Christianity.
TOPICS: History; Other Christian; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: gods; lds; mormon; satan
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To: Godzilla; Saundra Duffy
I guess destroying monuments and mocking other religions doesn't fall under the category of being rude or obnoxious.
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posted on
12/03/2010 3:40:28 PM PST
by
svcw
To: Godzilla
Documented erroneous statements from the article:
“Mormons number eleven million plus and are one of the few religious groups that are increasing in America. Some of the apparent differences in what Orthodox Christianity and LDS believe have to do with God, Jesus, and our scriptures. The only authority for Orthodox Christians is the Bible, Old and New Testaments. The LDS church beliefs are found in the Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrine and Covenants. “
There are about 14 million of us - so that’s wrong.
And the Holy Bible is included in LDS Scriptures - so that is wrong.
There was other stuff but you asked for an example.
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posted on
12/03/2010 3:50:10 PM PST
by
Saundra Duffy
(For victory & freedom!!!)
To: Saundra Duffy
Is it true that excommunicated members, or inactive members, or members who have resigned are still counted in the total of membership?
answer is yes
263
posted on
12/03/2010 3:56:03 PM PST
by
svcw
To: Saundra Duffy
Mormons number eleven million plus SD, do you know what the word "plus" means in this context? It means a value more than 11 million - which includes you claim of 14 million.
And the Holy Bible is included in LDS Scriptures - so that is wrong.
Context suggests he was adding the other. 1/2 out of 2 is better than you've produced lately. So how about some REAL doctrinal differences SD.
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posted on
12/03/2010 3:59:03 PM PST
by
Godzilla
(3-7-77)
To: Godzilla
11 million “plus” does not equal 14 million. Please.
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posted on
12/03/2010 4:05:02 PM PST
by
Saundra Duffy
(For victory & freedom!!!)
To: Saundra Duffy
To: Saundra Duffy; Godzilla
Good grief Sandy 11 million plus mean every number over 11 million, which would include 14 million (even though the 2011 lds membership almanac says 13 million)
267
posted on
12/03/2010 4:08:40 PM PST
by
svcw
To: svcw
OK then your Church has 1,000 “plus” members.
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posted on
12/03/2010 4:11:19 PM PST
by
Saundra Duffy
(For victory & freedom!!!)
To: Saundra Duffy; svcw
11 million plus does not equal 14 million. Please. Yes, please SD, common grammarical construction and word usage indicates that he was indicating a number larger than 11 million, how much larger the author wasn't sure. Now if you factor the high inactive rate, plus all the people who've left, yet lds inc. still retains on their rosters, 11 million is probably too HIGH.
But please SD, you are avoiding the key doctrinal points to piddle around over semantics that are making you look really dumb arguing about - people understand he was talking more than 11 million.
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posted on
12/03/2010 4:15:27 PM PST
by
Godzilla
(3-7-77)
To: Saundra Duffy
“Again, LDS Missionaries are polite and kind and would never even consider being rude and ugly like you suggest.”
Oh, really? Let’s have a look see at what Yahoo Answers says...
“Why are mormon missionaries so disrespectful and pushy?
Yesterday on my way home from having a very tiresome and long MRI scan,i was on the bus, a very friendly looking american guy got on and struck up a conversation saying “are you from Dublin”? “i’ve only been in Ireland a month”, he had what i thought was a school uniform on until he said he was from Utah and was here doing missionary work, then the alarm bells went off, he asked if i was religious, i responded, “no, i’m an atheist” he then said “you have strayed from god’s plan for you, you must repent for your sins” he then went on at lenght about how mormonism could help me repent for my sinful ways, i responded about 5 times, politely saying “i’m not interested” , he was very disrespectful until i eventually had to tell him to stop harassing me or else, which did shut him up. he was rude and i was rude back.”
“but anytime i’ve had contact with mormon missionaries all they did was relentless try and break me down and be very rude towards me, are they all mentally programmed to be rude to non responsive victims of their harassment while still having that same demented smile?”
“i have nothing against mormons, i just don’t like being harassed on a bus after a long, unpleasant day.”
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090904103117AAxyc1I
Thank you for that testimonial of mormon missionary rudeness.
Saundra, you are, in fact, wrong.
Pffft.
To: Saundra Duffy
Actually my church has zero members. Membership is not required to be born again and adopted into the family of God, to be part of the Body of Christ.
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posted on
12/03/2010 4:18:05 PM PST
by
svcw
To: Saundra Duffy
How to Deal With Mormon Missionaries

Here comes trouble.
How to Deal With Mormon Missionaries
User-Submitted Article
They seem nice enough, but these guys have training that would make cold-callers jealous. They're very polite, but they somehow manage to keep the conversation going. Mormonism is one of the fastest growing cults in the world because they're insidious, and now they're at your doorstep. Here's how to make them go away.
Things You'll Need:
- smart mouth
- Bible (optional)
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That's okay. It didn't work for Nancy Reagan either.
They're very polite and accommodating. If you say, "This isn't a good time," they'll come back for you later. At which point they'll exploit the guilt you feel for making them come back. Feel free to try a gentle brush-off first. Hey, maybe you'll luck out and catch two guys at the beginning of their year of mission. Yes, that's right. They spend a year doing this. You don't think they've learned how to get past "No, thanks"? But go ahead, be polite and say no thanks.
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See? Insidious. But that's okay, you can handle this. Often, it can be as simple as informing them that:
a) you know about the Mormon church
b) you do not approve
c) cite one reason you do not approve.
They're good at keeping a conversation going, but they know a lost cause when they see it. Note that this doesn't need to be rude, merely firm. For c) may I recommend a few examples:
Their church's history of racism.
Their church's current involvement in fighting gay marriage.
The pressure they (as a community) put on women to marry (early) and then immediately begin reproducing (over and over again).
Their church's implicit control of the Boy Scouts by threatening to withdraw their financial support if BSA doesn't act as the church desires (including excluding gays).
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If they still won't back down (again, usually they will at that point, but just in case), take it one step ruder. This doesn't even have to be in terms of volume, just in edgier questions.
Say/ask one of the following:
"When did you guys desegregate heaven?" (For a LONG time, the church stated that black people didn't go to heaven. Even now, it's not clear that they can attain "the same level" of heaven. And the answer, in case your missionaries don't know/won't say, is 1978.)
"You're the church that spends all that money against gay rights, aren't you?" (compared to the Mormon church, even the Catholics seem like a pride parade)
"Is your church the one founded by the guy who banged teenage girls?" (Joseph Smith, and yes)
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Be careful, they might be ready to debate these points. I know from personal experience that the standard line to explain the church's polygamy is that they had more women than men as they trekked westward. They couldn't let those poor women go unprotected and alone, could they? This is patently untrue. If you want to inform them of their own history, feel free to explain that they were actually settling in Missouri but run out of town because of their polygamy. (Thus, it began before their trip to Utah, and when they lived among a full town's worth of men who could have easily made up for their claimed excess of women.) Polygamy began because the already married founder, Joseph Smith, fell madly in love with a teenage girl, then claimed to have been told by God that he should marry her also.
It should be noted that every society that had polygamy always had pedophilia. Polygamy ALWAYS meant old men bedding young girls. Always. That's also worth mentioning.
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But I'm not trying to get you into a debate with anyone. The point is to make them go away. At which point, you stonewall with increasingly insulting things.
Try "I've already got a church I'm happy with." But if that doesn't make them go away, ad lib some absurdities. These are actually very effective, because even if they know you're lying, they still believe in a sort of voodoo power your words have. So saying something like, "Actually, I worship Satan." Should get rid of them if nothing else does. Being absolutely uncooperative and rude should give them the hint they hadn't taken until now.
To: Saundra Duffy
“Thank you for pointing out that there are about 50,000 LDS Missionaries serving the Lord all over the world. “
When you use the word, “Lord”, do you mean the Mormon Heavenly Father, who used to be a sinful, fallen man, who became a god...
Or do you mean the Mormon Jesus, who was a created spirit child as a result of the breeding between the Mormon Heavenly Father and the Mormon Heavenly Mother?
Or do you mean the God of the Bible, who was neither created, nor made, but is eternally God ALONE?
Which?
ampu
To: Elsie; All
So then; your sins are forgiven withOUT the shedding of blood? That is correct. Hebrews 9:22 is wrong. It is a corruption of Lev 17:11 which prohibits the eating of blood. It doesnt say that blood sacrifice is the ONLY means of atonement.
1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.
Hosea 14:1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity. [2] Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive [us] graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give [it]: thou delightest not in burnt offering. [17] The sacrifices of G-d [are] a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O G-d, thou wilt not despise.
Exodus 30:16 And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls
Jonah 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed G-d, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. [6] For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. [7] And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: [8] But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto G-d: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. [9] Who can tell if G-d will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? [10] And G-d saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and G-d repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
2 Chronicles 6:24 And if thy people Israel be put to the worse before the enemy, because they have sinned against thee; and shall return and confess thy name, and pray and make supplication before thee in this house; [25] Then hear thou from the heavens, and forgive the sin of thy people Israel, and bring them again unto the land which thou gavest to them and to their fathers. [26] When the heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; yet if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou dost afflict them; [27] Then hear thou from heaven, and forgive the sin of thy servants, and of thy people Israel,
2 Chronicles 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near; [37] Yet if they bethink themselves in the land whither they are carried captive, and turn and pray unto thee in the land of their captivity, saying, We have sinned, we have done amiss, and have dealt wickedly; [38] If they return to thee with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their captivity, whither they have carried them captives, and pray toward their land, which thou gavest unto their fathers, and toward the city which thou hast chosen, and toward the house which I have built for thy name: [39] Then hear thou from the heavens, even from thy dwelling place, their prayer and their supplications, and maintain their cause, and forgive thy people which have sinned against thee.
2 Chronicles 7:13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; [14] If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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posted on
12/03/2010 5:55:43 PM PST
by
blasater1960
(Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
To: Elsie
It doesnt bother you pretending to eat the flesh of a dead Jew? You must have me confused with someone else. You do take communion dont you?
Jesus says this: 53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
So you are prentending to eat the flesh and drink the blood of a dead Jew.
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posted on
12/03/2010 6:03:09 PM PST
by
blasater1960
(Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
To: Saundra Duffy
And the Holy Bible is included in LDS Scriptures - so that is wrong. You appear to be misinformed.
The SPANISH LDS folks in SPAIN do NOT hold to the KJV of the Bible...
The German LDS folks in Germany do NOT hold to the KJV of the Bible.
The Russian LDS folks in Russia do NOT hold to the KJV of the Bible.
The Japanese LDS folks in Jap;an do NOT hold to the KJV of the Bible...
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posted on
12/04/2010 8:18:49 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
To: Saundra Duffy
The LDS church beliefs are found in the Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrine and Covenants. This is wrong, too!
Your SACRED temple rituals are 'found' NOWHERE in ANY of your 'scripture'!
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posted on
12/04/2010 8:20:48 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
To: aMorePerfectUnion; Saundra Duffy
Again, LDS Missionaries are polite and kind and would never even consider being rude and ugly like you suggest.Evidently no MISSIONARIES post on FR!!
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posted on
12/04/2010 8:22:36 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
They seem nice enough, but these guys have training that would make cold-callers jealous.
Timeline... Subject...
0:59 "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16 "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02 "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57 "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."
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posted on
12/04/2010 8:25:52 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
To: blasater1960
Golly!
All this time I thought this was metaphor and/or allegory!
It’s REAL??
Dang!
HIS disciples should have gobbled Him up right then!
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posted on
12/04/2010 8:29:49 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
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