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To: Kolokotronis
And we aren't even remotely under submission to the the Pope nor are we by any stretch of even a Protestant's imagination, obedient to him

Then, according to Papal Bull (Unam Sanctam), you will not attain salvation. Welcome to the Protestant Club!
8 posted on 11/18/2010 6:08:32 PM PST by armydoc
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To: armydoc; Kolokotronis
And we aren't even remotely under submission to the the Pope

You aren't YET Kolo....

Ecumenism is Not Compromise, Pope Says,

No, it isn't. Not in the Catholic Church.

According to the Second Vatican Council all Churches will unify through common communion with the Roman Catholic Church.

"The results will be that, little by little, as the obstacles to perfect ecclesiastical communion are overcome, all Christians will be gathered, in a common celebration of the Eucharist, into the unity of the one and only Church, which Christ bestowed on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time."- Second Vatican Council, "Decree on Ecumenism", no. 4.

We don't unify by meeting in the middle. We unify by meeting at the Roman Catholic Church. She doesn't compromise. Everyone else does. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts..

9 posted on 11/18/2010 6:30:31 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: armydoc; Kolokotronis
Then, according to Papal Bull (Unam Sanctam), you will not attain salvation.

Here is the text of Unam Sanctam. Can you please provide where in that text that members of the Eastern Orthodox Churches are denied salvation?

Welcome to the Protestant Club!

Kolo is a member of a particular Church under a bishop with valid apostolic succession. He is a member of a particular church with seven sacraments and that has maintained apostolic teaching. You owe him an apology for the grave calumny you have committed against him.

10 posted on 11/18/2010 6:37:50 PM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: armydoc; markomalley

“Then, according to Papal Bull (Unam Sanctam), you will not attain salvation.”

Ah, no. That’s not what the Bull says, at least not insofar as the Orthodox are concerned. In fact, in 1302 no one, at least to my knowledge, had any reason to believe that the Bull had anything to do with anyone other than the French monarch and his government, as mom has noted. This is why neither I nor any other Orthodox Christian for the past 700+ years have lost one wink of sleep worrying about being damned to eternal hell fires because we do not “submit” to the Bishop of Rome...nor for that matter do we worry that any member of the flocks of the bishops who are in communion with the Bishop of Rome are for that reason condemned to the same eternal torture.

“Welcome to the Protestant Club!”

Oh, I’m afraid you’d find that our beliefs are likely, in general, just a objectionable, if not more so, to Protestantism than those of the Latins. But I’ll tell you what, ad, when you folks are ready to accept the ecclesiology of the One Church, at least 7 sacraments, Palamite theology on the uncreated energies of God, venerate icons, pray for the dead and be ready to chant with us “Most Holy Theotokos Save Us!”, maybe we can prepare you for membership in The Church! :)


23 posted on 11/18/2010 7:56:41 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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