To: armydoc; Kolokotronis
Then, according to Papal Bull (Unam Sanctam), you will not attain salvation. Here is the text of Unam Sanctam. Can you please provide where in that text that members of the Eastern Orthodox Churches are denied salvation?
Welcome to the Protestant Club!
Kolo is a member of a particular Church under a bishop with valid apostolic succession. He is a member of a particular church with seven sacraments and that has maintained apostolic teaching. You owe him an apology for the grave calumny you have committed against him.
10 posted on
11/18/2010 6:37:50 PM PST by
markomalley
(Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
To: markomalley; armydoc; Kolokotronis; Leoni
Kolo is a member of a particular Church under a bishop with valid apostolic succession. He is a member of a particular church with seven sacraments and that has maintained apostolic teaching. You owe him an apology for the grave calumny you have committed against him. Mark, while having no dog in this fight, a Catholic Freeper has so stated as well. Whom are we to believe as far as the Catholic Church's stance on this issue? A 'Protestant' makes this claim on his reading of the Unam Sanctum and you want an apology, do you ask the same of a fellow Catholic?
11 posted on
11/18/2010 6:47:56 PM PST by
xone
To: markomalley
Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins, as the Spouse in the Canticles [Sgs 6:8] proclaims: If this is not true, then why in the world does the text of Unam Sanctam begin this way? To go down a couple of paragraphs and insert a conjunction, whereby others are included seems a bit disingenuous. Why not say it in the beginning, in big letters? No, "we are obliged to believe and to maintain..." seems to be the most important point.
12 posted on
11/18/2010 6:58:08 PM PST by
smvoice
(Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
To: markomalley
Can you please provide where in that text that members of the Eastern Orthodox Churches are denied salvation?
The last line of Unam Sanctam:
"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."
Orthodox, like Protestants, deny subjection to the Pope. Ergo, no salvation, according to the Bull.
Kolo is a member of a particular Church under a bishop with valid apostolic succession. He is a member of a particular church with seven sacraments and that has maintained apostolic teaching. You owe him an apology for the grave calumny you have committed against him.
OK, I apologize, Kolo. I acknowledge that you are a "member of a particular Church with seven sacraments that has maintained apostolic teaching". Unfortunately, like Protestants, you cannot attain salvation as long as you are not subject to the Pope.
17 posted on
11/18/2010 7:19:34 PM PST by
armydoc
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