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To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock; RnMomof7; metmom; smvoice; caww; count-your-change; boatbums; bkaycee; ...
Here is what Rome believes about Mary inhabiting the eucharist, written by Fr. Stefano Manelli in "Jesus our Eucharistic Love" (page 106)...

"The Holy Eucharist is the Bread that comes from our Heavenly Mother. It is Bread produced by Mary from the flour of Her immaculate flesh, kneaded into dough with her virginal milk. St. Augustine wrote, ‘Jesus took His Flesh from the flesh of Mary’. We know, too, that united to the Divinity in the Eucharist there is Jesus' Body and Blood taken from the body and blood of the Blessed Virgin. Therefore at every Holy Communion we receive, it would be quite correct, and a very beautiful thing, to TAKE NOTICE OF OUR HOLY MOTHER’S SWEET AND MYSTERIOUS PRESENCE, INSEPARABLY UNITED WITH JESUS IN THIS HOST.

There are thousands of examples like this all over the internet; all from Roman Catholic sources, Roman Catholic apologists, Roman Catholic theology.

This is what they believe.

33 posted on 11/17/2010 7:06:28 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

The more you layers one peels back from Roman Catholicism, the more pagan it becomes.


34 posted on 11/17/2010 7:18:57 PM PST by Gamecock ( Christianity is not the movement from vice to virtue, but from virtue to Grace.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"The Holy Eucharist is the Bread that comes from our Heavenly Mother. It is Bread produced by Mary from the flour of Her immaculate flesh, kneaded into dough with her virginal milk"........ by Fr. Stefano Manelli in "Jesus our Eucharistic Love" (page 106)

There is absolutely nowhere in scripture where Christ would have, and did not, give this type of statement concerning Mary..and God certainly would have something to say to Manelli for even suggesting this! This is nut case talk as far as I'm concerned. What a sicko slam against Mary and the Christ!

37 posted on 11/17/2010 8:05:56 PM PST by caww
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Look how things change, suddenly. It seems she IS true and real in the Eucharist. My, my... imagine that...one says one thing, another comes along and disputes that while mocking the notion, and eventually the TRUTH comes out. Do all Catholics know this and claim ignorance when asked, or are they truly ignorant of this teaching? Perhaps the smartest thing to do is ask a ‘first grader’. They would..ahem..get it.


38 posted on 11/17/2010 8:34:56 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
That's what one Catholic believes. I assume you understand the concept of the fallacy of false generalization, right?
39 posted on 11/17/2010 8:46:25 PM PST by Campion
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; RnMomof7; metmom; smvoice; caww; count-your-change; ...
There are thousands of examples like this all over the internet; all from Roman Catholic sources...

Yes, I did a search on this and Catholics now believe that Mary is part of the Eucharist. I find in reading the early church fathers that you have to have a perspective of where they were coming from. Many of the Greek fathers like Augustine came from pagan cultures with multiple gods. It wasn't surprising that many of them held an unnatural high regards for Mary. However, the sacred scriptures does not attribute any special level to Mary except that she was looked upon by God and blessed.

As Gamecock said, this infatuation and devotion to Mary is simply pagan-nothing else can describe it.

49 posted on 11/18/2010 2:04:45 AM PST by HarleyD
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Dr. E, please reread my conversation above with smvoice.

Mary’s mystical presence in the host is obvious for exactly the same reasons you saw laid out in the quote. Christ’s body came from the body of Mary. It was literally pieced together cell by cell, organelle by organelle, molecule by molecule in her womb.

So her body is present, mystically, in a certain way wherever His is. But mystically, NOT substantially. It is an entirely different mode of presence.

The Eucharist is not only body and blood but also SOUL and DIVINITY of our Lord. Our Lady does not share her son’s soul. She does not share His divinity. There are not two persons in the Eucharist, not two souls. We adore the Eucharist because it is God. Mary is not God.

You are taking what is described as a mystical presence and assuming that the authors mean a literal presence. Very very bad idea—and it’s no wonder that you think the concept ridiculous.


51 posted on 11/18/2010 6:43:16 AM PST by Claud
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Then if Mary is present so must Mary’s parents and if they are present so must their parents and if......

I think it’s all clear now.


53 posted on 11/18/2010 7:14:55 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Fr. Manelli is not a real Catholic” in 4 ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...


71 posted on 11/18/2010 1:13:47 PM PST by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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