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Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Be rooted in Christ!

6 posted on 11/06/2010 7:26:25 AM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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David Barnhart's Nov. 4 update on churches voting to leave the ELCA.

I'm happy to report that Minnesota is the first state to reach 50 (counting first and second votes) congregations intent on leaving Babylon.

15 posted on 11/06/2010 11:41:27 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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The following was in this week’s congregation bulletin that is sent weekly to church members:


About a month ago the Bishop wrote a letter to our pastors declaring that Zion was a ‘schismatic’ congregation and that ELCA policy did not allow ELCA pastors to serve such congregations. He threatened two alternatives for our pastors. They could either resign their calls to Zion or they would be removed from the ELCA clergy roster(that is, they would be kicked out of the ELCA).

The pastors responded to this letter observing that the ELCA had taken no official action to declare what was ‘schismatic’ and so Zion could hardly be branded with such a designation. In addition there is no consistent policy in regard to ‘schismatic’ congregations in the ELCA. The synods have different policies that they follow both in regard to congregations and pastors. Thus the Bishop was acting his own individual opinion not a comprehensive ELCA policy.

Through all of this no action has been taken to our knowledge (we have not been informed of any action) in regard to Zion’s status as a congregation in the ELCA, Therefore the pastors declared that they had been duly called to serve Zion and had faithfully done so for many years and intended to continue in that service. They would not resign their calls to Zion. In addition, they would not remove their names from the ELCA clergy roster as long as Zion remained on the ELCA roster sf congregations (Again, there has been no change in Zion’s roster status with the ELCA to our knowledge).

Last week the Bishop sent letters to our pastors informing them that since they did not resign their calls to Zion they were removed from the ELCA clergy roster (i.e. they had been kicked out of the ELCA) because they continued to serve a ‘schismatic’ congregation. This sets up the absurd situation that our pastors have been kicked out of the ELCA for serving a congregation that is still on the ELCA roster of congregations. The absurdity is further compounded by the fact that from the view point of the ELCA, Zion is now without pastors, but no ELCA pastor supposedly could ever take a call here.

Ironically, this means that Zion is a part of the Northeastern Iowa Synod which our Bishop serves, and so he is obligated to also serve Zion. But since he has declared Zion a “schismatic” congregation his continued service to Zion means that his name should be removed from the ELCA clergy roster for precisely the same reasons he removed Pastor Hess and Pastor Yarian.

All of this is an illustration of the ridiculous machinations that are going on within the ELCA, Bishops and national officers are making up policies on the fly to suit their own personal agendas. These policies reflect no official action by the ELCA, and are internally inconsistent. It is one more example of the sad state of the ELCA.

These actions in no way affect the status of our pastors in regard to neither Zion, nor their calls to serve here and before God. Qur pastors will be applying for rostered status with LCMC and will continue the faithful ministry they have carried out here at Zion for many years.


16 posted on 11/06/2010 12:22:22 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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