[MHGinTN] I appreciate the difficulty in reconciling the passages you cited. ...
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
The other poster that responded gave the type of post expected of them. Nothing more.
The scriptures I posted were meant to form a reference point.
a. Believers could be cast off
b. Jesus stating that only a few would be saved.
Nothing beyond that was meant to be inferred. I decided it was best to state them up front rather than spend hours in debate about whether they existed.
Matt 25. Has a simple but profound meaning.
1. Do not procrastinate your salvation. Be prepared to meet the savior at anytime.
2. We are on probation. And when our time runs out, we will not be accepted.
One other principle that is taught in these scriptures. People say they know Jesus, but Jesus says He doesn't know them.
Therefore, simply believing Jesus is the Son of God is not enough to enter heaven. And the vast majority of people who think they are going to heaven, in the Lord's own words...aren't.
Did you have any questions regarding the Gospel message?
Partially right.
Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth.
You have FLUNKED Logic 101.
Really? Well, I guess the poor thief on the cross with Jesus...got lied to.
And I guess...John 3:16...is just all wrong.
BTW, what's up with the Baptism of the Dead thing you mormons...do. What EXACTLY are you all doing there.
Wow!
And this from a Mormon whose system claims that just about everbody is going to eventually be "saved"?? (perhaps all except the Hitler types and those who were Mormons & left the church?)
Why don't you talk about, for all readers & lurkers, Stourme, who you believe will get to be with Heavenly Father forever?
Can you say...
...you have to be a Mormon church member...
...who is married and not divorced...
...and who was married to that partner or partners "for eternity" as sealed in the Mormon temple...
...and you have to be a temple Mormon in good standing throughout all your life, including tithing 10%??
Otherwise, ANY...
...Mormons like non-temple Mormons...
...including those who have fallen on rough economic times and can no longer tithe 10% -- or many poor Haitians for example...
...single Mormons who were never married "for eternity" as sealed by the Mormon church...
...divorced, not-remarried Mormons...
...married temple-Mormons not married to a temple Mormon in good standing...
...or ANY non-Mormon...
...well, all the above can just get on the back-of-the heavenly bus & head for another planet where Heavenly Father supposedly won't reside.
This, ALL, is the great "secret" of Mormonism revealed.
And what a "diss" that is to the God of the universe!
To claim that heaven can actually be considered "Heaven" without the ongoing Presence of Heavenly Father
I mean just wow!
So I've arranged below for a new Mormon "oath" -- a vow every TB Mormon can utter and confess:
"I, John or Jane Mormon -- as opposed to Jack Mormon,
confess before Heavenly Father
that I deem heaven to be heaven for 99.something percent of those who have ever lived or will live
even though, You, Father won't be living with them for eternity.
I, therefore, solemnly declare, confess, and profess
that I loudly proclaim before the entire world
that I consider Heaven to be heaven
for the non-Mormons and all the 'ineligible' majority of Mormons
Despite my understanding that You won't be there forever with them."
Signed
John or Jane Mormon
If/should any TB Mormon disagree with the "confession" or "profession" I laid out in the previous post (#599), here is an alternative profession of non-faith in the Lds "prophets"...and the point is...cognitively and faith commitment/faith consistency wise, Mormons really need to choose one of these two oaths (or ones so similarly written):
"I John or Jane Mormon
profess that the quotations below made by Lds "prophets" and general authorities and leaders are false.
I repudiate such beliefs in these other-worldly faith commitments expressed by these Mormon leaders...
as I believe God is a God of grace, mercy, and compassion
who will not limit those living in His presence for eternity
on the basis of such things as their singleness...
or the lack of membership in the Mormon church."
Signed
John or Jane Mormon .
Relevant Quotations from Mormon "prophets," general authorities and leaders:
Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th Lds "prophet": "Those who were honorable men who will be permitted to go to the terrestrial kingdom will be blessed with ministrations from the celestial kingdom. They will be privileged with visitations from Jesus Christ but will be denied the presence of the Father." (Source: Answers to Gospel Questions, Vol. 1, p. 81; context was he was writing about the so-called "middle kingdom of heaven" -- called the terrestial kingdom by Lds)
Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th Lds "prophet": "NOT HALF THE LATTER-DAY SAINTS TO BE SAVED. Those who receive the fulness will be privileged to view the face of our Father. There will not be such an overwhelming number of the Latter-day Saints who will get there." (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:15)
Lds church official publication: “…resurrection alone does not qualify us for eternal life in the presence of God…we need His grace to purify and perfect us ‘after all we can do’ (2 Nephi 25:23).” (Truth to the Faith: A Gospel Reference, Intellectual Reserve, 2004, p. 77)
Encyclopedia of Mormonism: “Exaltation is the greatest of all the gifts and attainments possible. It is available only in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom and is reserved for members of the Church of the Firstborn. This exalted status, called eternal life, is available to be received by a man and a wife. It means not only living in God’s presence, but receiving power to do as God does, including the power to bear children after the resurrection.” (Encylopedia of Mormonism, 2:479)
George Albert Smith, 8th Lds "prophet": "There are some people who have supposed that if we are quickened telestial bodies that eventually, throughout the ages of eternity, we will continue to progress until we will find our place in the celestial kingdom, but the scriptures and revelations of God have said that those who are quicked telestial bodies cannot come where God and Christ dwell, worlds without end." (Conference Reports, October 1945, p. 172)
Spencer W. Kimball, 12th Lds "prophet": "No progression between kingdoms. After a person has been assigned to his place in the kingdom, either in the telestial, the terrestrial, or the celestial, or to his exaltation, he will never advance from his assigned glory to another glory. That is eternal!" (The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 243-244)