LOL, careful with that fire mr. scarecrow - you might just get burnt. You forget a key component to your little bale of straw stourme
[Stourme]“We are saved by the grace of Christ. Christ has put qualifications on who will receive that grace.”
Lurkers will note - the key point being obfuscated by mormon apologists on this point is that there are PRE-REQUSITE requirements to receiving the grace of Christ. Lets be clear about 'grace' found in the bible within this context. By definition is it the UNEARNED favor of God. Hopefully you didn't have trouble reading that stourme. When you put 'qualifications' on that 'grace', as Paul says, it ceases to be grace. Therefore Christ died for ONLY ungodly men is correct - if you are already 'godly', you would already be sinless as well (at least according to mormon doctrine).
The simple fact that Rom 5:6 & 8 Christ died for us while we were BOTH ungodly and sinners, within the entire book of Romans, we do not have to do anything to EARN that salvation.
No, the strawman is the extra-biblical attempt by mormons to force the NT to conform to the bom - in that it is his grace, AFTER ALL WE CAN DO. Mormons cannot tell us at what point they have done all they can do to merit this 'grace' (a perversion on the use of the word in the bible). They can NEVER tell us at what point they've done enough to be saved. Elsewhere in the bom, it tells that ONLY AFTER you are completely godly - THEN is his 'grace' sufficient.
There is no one that Jesus didn't die for. But the salvation offered by Christ is not something that can be earned by works of righteousness - but strictly by grace. Paul said it best -
Ga 2:21* I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
If you are godly - Christ died in vain. Stop frustrating the grace of God stourme.
The simple fact that Rom 5:6 & 8 Christ died for us while we were BOTH ungodly and sinners, within the entire book of Romans, we do not have to do anything to EARN that salvation.
There is no one that Jesus didn’t die for. But the salvation offered by Christ is not something that can be earned by works of righteousness - but strictly by grace. Paul said it best -
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So are you saying Godzilla, that Lucifer will receive grace?
Romans 4
1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”
9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. 12 And he is then also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also follow in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
Especially
Romans 4:4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.