Now, will you admit that with out feeding the hungry and clothing the naked you cannot be saved?
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Kid, how much of that did the thief on the cross do ???
Now, will you admit that with out feeding the hungry and clothing the naked you cannot be saved?
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Kid, how much of that did Lazarus the beggar do ???
Hi Stourme,
This ties in directly with what Jesus taught in Matthew 25.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Feeding the hungry and clothing naked is not what saves you. It’s an indication of whether you faith is real. If your salvation is dependent on something you do you are going to lose. Even our best deeds are as filthy rags and will avail nothing from a salvation perspective.
Stourme Logic 101
“Thank you for coming to class today. As your professor,
I have a simple lesson I’d like to present. Today we are
covering:
“Stourme Principle of Logic #1:”
“Wet streets cause rain.”
“Yes, I realize it seems counterintuitive to those who
actuallytry to understand the Bible!! Don’t do that. It’s
a waste of time. Let’s see how we can use this principle
to find mormonic doctrine in the Bible.
“First, we find a Bible passage that sounds like what we
want it to say, but the context is troublesome. BUT, once
we apply the Stourme Principle of Logic #1 ...
“VOILA!!!!! With out feeding the hungry and clothing the naked you cannot be saved!”
“See how easy it is to make the Bible say what you wanted
it to say anyway!”
“Class dismissed.”
“Oh, wait, a question. Please do not pester me with questions.
Once the teacher has spoken, the thinking is done!”
Dismissed!
Lurkers will note that stourme is resorting to obfuscation and misdirection when faced with irrefutable biblical truth - just like he did with Romans 5:6-8 (to which he has not offered either an apology for or adequate answer to myself or AMPU)
Classical case of ignoring the context to fixate on the few verses to the exclusion of the context they are placed within. Now the claim is that the only way to be saved is to feed and clothe the poor/hungry. If that is the case, there is no need for mormon temples, necro dunks and all the other bizarre ordinances and laws of mormonism.
Context clearly states James is speaking to BELIEVERS, not those trying to become godly enough to be worthy of salvation (Lurkers will begin to see stourme's argument unravel). What comes first - Faith, NOT works, works always come after faith. Mormonism places works first, then if good enough, faith.
Just like the failed argument that Jesus didn't die for the ungodly, stourme tries another fallacious argument, requiring care for the poor for salvation.
stourme would be better off with klingon
Let me be the first to tell you that these words were WRITTEN in Greek!
Well said, Keep up the good work!
